Balta1701 Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jan 17, 2013 -> 02:47 PM) I am very much looking forward to what happens with this team from the start of free agency through the draft. I don't think I am. I think Bears fans are imagining the team has much more cap freedom than it actually has. That's going to make choosing between Melton and an O-lineman hurt. How do you think it'll go if the Bears sign the #10 O-lineman on the board for $3 million and that's the only o-line addition they make before the draft? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 17, 2013 -> 01:53 PM) I don't think I am. I think Bears fans are imagining the team has much more cap freedom than it actually has. That's going to make choosing between Melton and an O-lineman hurt. How do you think it'll go if the Bears sign the #10 O-lineman on the board for $3 million and that's the only o-line addition they make before the draft? The imaginary cap room is probably a product of the NFL being pretty good at depressing player salaries. There are a giant contracts of course, but so often you can get big names and/or big production for cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 17, 2013 -> 08:53 PM) I don't think I am. I think Bears fans are imagining the team has much more cap freedom than it actually has. That's going to make choosing between Melton and an O-lineman hurt. How do you think it'll go if the Bears sign the #10 O-lineman on the board for $3 million and that's the only o-line addition they make before the draft? I'm sure it's somewhere in the middle. I find the NFL salary cap incredible confusing. Seems to be a lot of gimmicks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 17, 2013 -> 03:53 PM) I don't think I am. I think Bears fans are imagining the team has much more cap freedom than it actually has. That's going to make choosing between Melton and an O-lineman hurt. How do you think it'll go if the Bears sign the #10 O-lineman on the board for $3 million and that's the only o-line addition they make before the draft? The following article is what kinda got my hopes up. http://www.suntimes.com/sports/17253566-41...-cap-space.html Yet as the 2012 season winds toward its conclusion, two league executives made one thing clear about the 2013 Bears: the salary cap won’t prohibit Emery in any way. “They can do whatever they want,” one executive said. What that means I have no clue. Bringing back Melton, Louis, Roach and signing a proven LT is all I care about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 17, 2013 -> 01:53 PM) I don't think I am. I think Bears fans are imagining the team has much more cap freedom than it actually has. That's going to make choosing between Melton and an O-lineman hurt. How do you think it'll go if the Bears sign the #10 O-lineman on the board for $3 million and that's the only o-line addition they make before the draft? I think deciding right now what the bears can and cannot do is an incorrect way to go about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 17, 2013 -> 03:10 PM) I'm sure it's somewhere in the middle. I find the NFL salary cap incredible confusing. Seems to be a lot of gimmicks. The Gimmicks will only get one so far. The Bears will have some room to add players, but there are teams out there like the Dolphins sitting on $50 million of cap room this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 How many of us sat here saying the Briggs extensions would never happen because of Cap room, or the Forte extension would never get done, Urlacher, etc. The Bears find ways to get what they want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Jerry Azumah @JerryAzumah sources say #Bears GM Phil Emery said Marc Trestman presented a 13-month schedule w/ every hour accounted for. #WellDamn If that's true, we just got ourselves the Thibs of the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jan 17, 2013 -> 03:13 PM) How many of us sat here saying the Briggs extensions would never happen because of Cap room, or the Forte extension would never get done, Urlacher, etc. The Bears find ways to get what they want. There was always cap room for those moves, it's just whether the Bears wanted to spend for those guys. Remember what happened with Briggs...he expected a bigger deal than he got offered, he went out, took his time, and came crawling back to the Bears to take the deal they originally offered because no one else wanted to pay him. There can be room for some things and not for others. The Bears could have gone after several O-Linemen last year, but didn't...instead they got Forte and Marshall as the things they spent money on, in addition to some secondary depth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jan 17, 2013 -> 02:25 PM) Jerry Azumah @JerryAzumah sources say #Bears GM Phil Emery said Marc Trestman presented a 13-month schedule w/ every hour accounted for. #WellDamn If that's true, we just got ourselves the Thibs of the NFL. LOL and followup Jerry Azumah @JerryAzumah Sources say #Bears GM Phil Emery said Mike Tice spent the first hour of his exit interview attempting to count to 13, w/ every crayon color imaginable accounted for. #WellDamn Ok, I made that one up. Edited January 17, 2013 by Steve9347 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeNukeEm Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Jerry Azumah @JerryAzumah sources say #Bears GM Phil Emery said Marc Trestman presented a 13-month schedule w/ every hour accounted for. #WellDamn If that's true, we just got ourselves the Thibs of the NFL. That's almost a little too crazy for me. Either way, I'm OK with letting Melton walk. He was pretty good this year, but not as good as his new contract will inevitably be. If Henry Melton really is the difference between making a move in free agency to fix the OL and not doing that, then I wish him the best. We all should. Great defense and inconsistent offense has provided us with The 9 years of Lovie Smith: Sometimes great, sometimes good enough, mostly mediocre, occasionally horrifying. That's why I'm OK with cutting Peppers, that's $7 mil to spend on Brandon Albert and we did draft a DE in the 1st round last year (plus Wootton is actually pretty decent). A defense anchored by Charles Tillman, Tim Jennings, Lance Briggs and Shea McClellin can be bouyed to success by a comparatively good NFL offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSox05 Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 I hope the Bears let Peppers go and don't resign Melton. I would love for a division rival to get rid of their best outside pass rusher and inside pass rusher. Then we can talk the Vikings into releasing Jared Allen and Kevin Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 QUOTE (GoSox05 @ Jan 17, 2013 -> 02:40 PM) I hope the Bears let Peppers go and don't resign Melton. I would love for a division rival to get rid of their best outside pass rusher and inside pass rusher. Then we can talk the Vikings into releasing Jared Allen and Kevin Williams. Man, if they don't resign Melton I'll find you, and I will punch you, and then I will burn the Packers flag that you likely have hanging from your front porch! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 17, 2013 -> 02:26 PM) There was always cap room for those moves, it's just whether the Bears wanted to spend for those guys. Remember what happened with Briggs...he expected a bigger deal than he got offered, he went out, took his time, and came crawling back to the Bears to take the deal they originally offered because no one else wanted to pay him. There can be room for some things and not for others. The Bears could have gone after several O-Linemen last year, but didn't...instead they got Forte and Marshall as the things they spent money on, in addition to some secondary depth. I dont remember that happening at all. I remember him showing up to the GM meetings with Rosenhaus and the 49ers getting very interested until the Bears threatened tampering charges. Then the Bears got serious with him and a deal got done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 BTW apparently it was Sean Jensen who reported that 13 month schedule thing. Azumah just decided to throw out SOURCES when it was already out by an established media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 17, 2013 -> 02:52 PM) BTW apparently it was Sean Jensen who reported that 13 month schedule thing. Azumah just decided to throw out SOURCES when it was already out by an established media. the detailed plan was leaked Edited January 17, 2013 by StrangeSox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Last summer during preseason training camp Sean Jensen said he was at a restaurant and some little kid ran up to him and said "You are Jackie Chan!" and that the little boys dad was extremely embarrassed and apologized. Jensen put Chan up as his picture on twitter for a month because he thought it was so funny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 (edited) I was burned. Edited January 17, 2013 by bmags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Just checking my logic here with those of you that do know how the cap works(I have 0 clue)... Bears are said to be $14.5m under cap. Cutting Spaeth and Davis knocks them 4.3 more mill under? So they're at close to 19m...Right? Gerald McCoy is a good comparison for Melton, he's getting 6.5m his first year outta his rookie contract...So lets say 6.5 for Melton. Now we're at 12.5. Joe Thomas is the best tackle in the game and he's making 9 mill. Clady is probably the only guy that approaches that and he won't hit the market....Bushrod is the guy I'm lookin at since he was the LT for the Bears new OL coach. He's probably looking at 6mill tops, maybe even closer to 5. Now we're at roughly 6.5. I want Nick Roach back, he's probably looking at 2-2.5. now 4 mill. I want Louis back as well, he's probably looking at another 2. so we're at 2 million left...oh no... What does cutting Hester do? His 2013 salary is 1.8mill but his cap # is 7.6....Restructuring contracts Peppers, Marshalls, and Tillmans contracts has to save us what a mill each?? Lets say 1.8 mill back for Hester? plus the 2 mill we still have left and they then have roughly 7 mill for the draft and to fill out the roster....is that enough? Am I right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Does salary cap numbers like that (14.5) include rookie salaries? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 17, 2013 -> 05:22 PM) Does salary cap numbers like that (14.5) include rookie salaries? Thats a good question because the Salary list I'm looking at doesn't include SMC or any other rookie, but it has guys like Campbell and Bush...So I'm not sure if it just hasn't been updated or if they don't count. on another site it looks like the first year salary for ALL rookies is 390,000...so thats 2.3 mill in the draft....if I'm right Edited January 17, 2013 by 2nd_city_saint787 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (2nd_city_saint787 @ Jan 17, 2013 -> 03:17 PM) Just checking my logic here with those of you that do know how the cap works(I have 0 clue)... Bears are said to be $14.5m under cap. Cutting Spaeth and Davis knocks them 4.3 more mill under? So they're at close to 19m...Right? Gerald McCoy is a good comparison for Melton, he's getting 6.5m his first year outta his rookie contract...So lets say 6.5 for Melton. Now we're at 12.5. Joe Thomas is the best tackle in the game and he's making 9 mill. Clady is probably the only guy that approaches that and he won't hit the market....Bushrod is the guy I'm lookin at since he was the LT for the Bears new OL coach. He's probably looking at 6mill tops, maybe even closer to 5. Now we're at roughly 6.5. I want Nick Roach back, he's probably looking at 2-2.5. now 4 mill. I want Louis back as well, he's probably looking at another 2. so we're at 2 million left...oh no... What does cutting Hester do? His 2013 salary is 1.8mill but his cap # is 7.6....Restructuring contracts Peppers, Marshalls, and Tillmans contracts has to save us what a mill each?? Lets say 1.8 mill back for Hester? plus the 2 mill we still have left and they then have roughly 7 mill for the draft and to fill out the roster....is that enough? Am I right? You spend a lot of time wasting your time. As for Lance Louis, he played a few decent games this year, but he's a big sonofab**** coming off a blown up knee. I wouldn't worry too much about keeping him around Halas Hall. Edited January 17, 2013 by Steve9347 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeNukeEm Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Just checking my logic here with those of you that do know how the cap works(I have 0 clue)... Bears are said to be $14.5m under cap. Cutting Spaeth and Davis knocks them 4.3 more mill under? So they're at close to 19m...Right? Gerald McCoy is a good comparison for Melton, he's getting 6.5m his first year outta his rookie contract...So lets say 6.5 for Melton. Now we're at 12.5. Joe Thomas is the best tackle in the game and he's making 9 mill. Clady is probably the only guy that approaches that and he won't hit the market....Bushrod is the guy I'm lookin at since he was the LT for the Bears new OL coach. He's probably looking at 6mill tops, maybe even closer to 5. Now we're at roughly 6.5. I want Nick Roach back, he's probably looking at 2-2.5. now 4 mill. I want Louis back as well, he's probably looking at another 2. so we're at 2 million left...oh no... What does cutting Hester do? His 2013 salary is 1.8mill but his cap # is 7.6....Restructuring contracts Peppers, Marshalls, and Tillmans contracts has to save us what a mill each?? Lets say 1.8 mill back for Hester? plus the 2 mill we still have left and they then have roughly 7 mill for the draft and to fill out the roster....is that enough? Am I right? Dont even try to figure out the NFL salary cap. All of this is probably wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 So, I'm bored at work. Looking at coaches from the saints and raiders from early 00s and miami teams. Wondering if coaches from Spags stint at rams or Jim Bates would come up. I'm wondering if he'll favorr someone with experience at D-Coordinator (even if it's a bad run/average), or go for a green name never given the shot, and has languished as a dline/lb coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSox05 Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 NFL salary cap is goofy. There is all kind of weird s*** going on. Bonus money, left over money from last year. You can cut guys, but some money still counts against the cap. I'm sure one of the beat writers will do a article on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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