GoodAsGould Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Sep 25, 2012 -> 07:48 AM) If you put a defensive player on the field who is too f***ing stupid to bat the ball out of play and tries to catch it, you deserve to lose. Because that worked well for the Titans Sunday or the Bears last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dasox24 Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 QUOTE (GoodAsGould @ Sep 25, 2012 -> 09:35 AM) Because that worked well for the Titans Sunday or the Bears last year. Those cases are the exception, not the rule. There's a reason why every football coach in the country (regardless of the level) teaches their players to bat the ball down. It's the safer play, and the ball is much less likely to get caught. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farmteam Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 2h Tom Crabtree @TCrabtree83 Imagine you make a painting. It isn't perfect by others' standards, but it's your painting. You are proud. Then someone takes a s*** on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 25, 2012 Author Share Posted September 25, 2012 QUOTE (farmteam @ Sep 25, 2012 -> 09:44 AM) 2h Tom Crabtree @TCrabtree83 Imagine you make a painting. It isn't perfect by others' standards, but it's your painting. You are proud. Then someone takes a s*** on it. If it were a cross, a bunch of people would call it "art" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 Those cases are the exception, not the rule. There's a reason why every football coach in the country (regardless of the level) teaches their players to bat the ball down. It's the safer play, and the ball is much less likely to get caught. It also depends a bit on where you are in the end zone. If you're near the middle, there can be a risk to batting it down and having somebody catch it, but when you're that close to the corner, batting it out of play makes it impossible to be caught in bounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 25, 2012 Author Share Posted September 25, 2012 https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid...user=1097780905 Ryan Sudol “WHERE WAS THE HOLDING?!” “THAT WASN’T PASS INTERFERENCE!” “GET OFF YOUR KNEES REF YOU’RE BLOWING THE GAME!!!” These aren’t all phrases that we discovered last night while watching the Seahawks beat the Packers. These are phrases we have yelled at zebras every single Sunday since the day we first witnessed a pigskin bearing the NFL shield flung across the gridiron. Your favorite refereeing crews of Mike Carey and Ed Hochuli are being locked out over a few bucks. It’s not a big deal, except for the fact that you think that the “scabs” are a significant downgrade from the previous standard. Officials, in general, are our sworn enemies. They cost our favorite team yards, points, and in the occasional 3-point loss on a last second field goal, we, as football fans love to defer to the men in black and white and chalk it up to “oh it was a poorly officiated game.” Now we go to the Monday night fiasco in which Golden Tate and M.D. Jennings shared a catch in the end zone. Now a couple of things need to be cleared up: First, the rule on possession (from the NFL Rule Book): A player is in possession when he is in firm grip and control of the ball in bounds. It does not say: “When the ball is held close to a person’s chest closer than the other guy going for the ball to win a game.” A ball can be possessed with two hands, between a hand and a helmet, or as Calvin Johnson likes to do when disarming a secondary, with one hand in an extremely grippy glove. People look at last nights play and point to the fact that Golden Tate only got one hand on the ball initially and M.D. Jennings brought the ball close to his chest as both players were falling…Now let’s define a catch: A catch is made when a player inbounds secures possession of a pass, kick, or fumble in flight… Keep an eye on that word possession, it’s going to mean a lot more in a minute. Why is possession important in this case? How quickly have people forgotten the “Calvin Johnson Rule” or Note 1 under the definition of possession? A player who goes to the ground in the process of attempting to secure a possession of a loose ball (with or without contact by an opponent) must maintain control of the ball throughout the process of contacting the ground, whether in the field of play or in the end zone. If he loses control of the ball, and the ball touches the ground before he regains control, there is no possession. What that means is that possession of the football can NOT be established in the air. So if Tate and Jennings wanted to play paddy-cake in the air with the ball it wouldn’t matter who touched it first or who had two hands on it as opposed to one hand or one arm, until the players come down in the field of play, possession can NOT be established. So if M.D. Jennings has two firm hands on the ball in the air, and Golden Tate (who did physically touch the ball first) has a hand and an arm and a firm grip on the ball (which he did as is evidenced by him not bouncing around when going to the ground) then the call is a simultaneous catch: If a pass is caught simultaneously by two eligible opponents, and both players retain it, the ball belongs to the passers. It is not a simultaneous catch if a player gains control first and an opponent subsequently gains joint control. The argument made last night was that M.D. Jennings clearly had MORE control of the ball…Well the rule doesn’t establish who has more control, if I have a firm grip with one hand and another player is hugging the football with both hands and arms, guess what?! We both still have control of the football. So in this case, when Golden Tate CLEARLY has a single hand and arm on the ball while going to the ground, and M.D. Jennings CLEARLY has two hands on the ball and is bringing it closer to his numbers, the NFL Rule book says that if the two players maintain control of the ball while going to the ground, it will belong to Golden Tate, and it doesn’t matter if the split of control was 50/50 or 75/25…Any form of control can establish possession. Touchdown Seahawks, game is over…after you kick the extra point. TJ Lang wants to yell at the scabs, and tweet that they got f$%&ing screwed? That’s fine, but I didn’t hear TJ complaining when a blown pass interference call, by the regular officials, in a Bucs v Lions game (a call which the league apologized for…by the way), sent the Packers to the playoffs on their way to winning a Super Bowl. They weren’t complaining, they were grateful that the regular officials blew an obvious call. Now the replacements make a questionable and obviously difficult call and you want to criticize them? Take your $50,000 ring and shove it. You guys really feel that bad about the replacement refs? Don’t show up to work today…or tomorrow…or Sunday. That is the only way to force the commissioner’s hand in this situation. We still joke about the tuck rule, and the Megatron rule, but it wasn’t replacement refs back then that forced the league and the competition committee’s hands. We look at the refs under a microscope now because it’s an issue and we hate them by nature. Its funny how replacement players are good for us, but when it’s the refs, it just gives us a better excuse to blame our teams’ inadequacies on. Bill Belichick is getting scrutinized for chasing an official…if it goes to the replay booth and gets overturned, John Harbaugh is doing the same thing. These officials were not afforded the same training regimen that our Hochuli’s are, but they are going on that field and being disrespected by players, coaches and fans alike, when in fact, they are the only reason you are have the privilege to watch your favorite team on Sunday. I went to the NFL rulebook to find the info I needed to make my point, the reality is that most of you will never pick up an NFL rule book and in the five minutes I spent scanning it my head almost exploded. The league and the standard officials will reach an agreement eventually, but as NFL fans, we have to realize that they might not, and you have to be okay with that. As far as last night is concerned though, the Seahawks won. For those of you looking for justice and want Roger Goodell to reverse this decision, he shouldn’t and probably won’t. If he would have done it 2 years ago the Packers would not have been Super Bowl Champions…They wouldn’t have even made the playoffs. To the Packers, ease up, and stop acting like your dog got shot. You still get paid more in a weekend than most people make in year…for playing a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSox05 Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 Sam Shields was gonna knock it down, but Golden Tate pushed him to the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 That was not a simultaneous catch: Tate's right hand isn't even on the ball in that frame while Jennings clearly has control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 That closing paragraph by Sudol comes off as pretty prickish, as well. Deadspin disagrees and went to the rule book as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 25, 2012 Author Share Posted September 25, 2012 @TJLang70 f*** it NFL.. Fine me and use the money to pay the regular refs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan99 Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 25, 2012 -> 09:49 AM) https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid...user=1097780905 Who is Ryan Sudol? Because whoever he is has no idea what the f*** he is talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonWeltall Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 and Golden Tate (who did physically touch the ball first) has a hand and an arm and a firm grip on the ball (which he did as is evidenced by him not bouncing around when going to the ground) Huh? He's not bouncing around because he's wrapped around Jennings' right arm. How is that evidence he has control of the ball? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MexSoxFan#1 Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 (edited) It couldn't happen to a more deserving team...f*ck the Packers Edited September 25, 2012 by MexSoxFan#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSox05 Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 QUOTE (MexSoxFan#1 @ Sep 25, 2012 -> 11:18 AM) It couldn't happen to a more deserving team...f*ck the Packers How are they deserving of that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MexSoxFan#1 Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 QUOTE (GoSox05 @ Sep 25, 2012 -> 11:21 AM) How are they deserving of that? Because I hate them And like the article says, they got in the playoffs on a bad call in a Bucs/Lions game. They didn't b**** back then, don't b**** now...also, blame your offense more for not putting up more points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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lasttriptotulsa Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 QUOTE (MexSoxFan#1 @ Sep 25, 2012 -> 11:32 AM) Because I hate them And like the article says, they got in the playoffs on a bad call in a Bucs/Lions game. They didn't b**** back then, don't b**** now...also, blame your offense more for not putting up more points. This is a pretty moronic statement. You say the Packers deserve to be f***ed over by the officials because of a previous bad call by the officials in a game the Packers were not even playing in? That might be the dumbest thing I've heard in awhile. Also, the Packers would have put up more points if the interception they had deep in Seahawks territory would have not been called back on a bulls*** roughing the passer call. All in all, this game sucked. No team deserves to have a win taken from them like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Sep 25, 2012 -> 11:59 AM) This is a pretty moronic statement. You say the Packers deserve to be f***ed over by the officials because of a previous bad call by the officials in a game the Packers were not even playing in? That might be the dumbest thing I've heard in awhile. Also, the Packers would have put up more points if the interception they had deep in Seahawks territory would have not been called back on a bulls*** roughing the passer call. All in all, this game sucked. No team deserves to have a win taken from them like that. The Packers wouldn't of scored a TD if not for a bulls*** PI call against the Seahawks, it goes back and forth. Even the regular refs have had disrupted the outcomes of game it happens just be happy its early enough in season if your team is good can overcome it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 25, 2012 Author Share Posted September 25, 2012 http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/eye-on-f...t-replay-review In Monday's game between the Green Bay Packers and Seattle Seahawks, Seattle faced a 4th-and-10 from the Green Bay 24 with eight seconds remaining in the game. Seattle quarterback Russell Wilson threw a pass into the end zone. Several players, including Seattle wide receiver Golden Tate and Green Bay safety M.D. Jennings, jumped into the air in an attempt to catch the ball. While the ball is in the air, Tate can be seen shoving Green Bay cornerback Sam Shields to the ground. This should have been a penalty for offensive pass interference, which would have ended the game. It was not called and is not reviewable in instant replay. When the players hit the ground in the end zone, the officials determined that both Tate and Jennings had possession of the ball. Under the rule for simultaneous catch, the ball belongs to Tate, the offensive player. The result of the play was a touchdown. Replay Official Howard Slavin stopped the game for an instant replay review. The aspects of the play that were reviewable included if the ball hit the ground and who had possession of the ball. In the end zone, a ruling of a simultaneous catch is reviewable. That is not the case in the field of play, only in the end zone. Referee Wayne Elliott determined that no indisputable visual evidence existed to overturn the call on the field, and as a result, the on-field ruling of touchdown stood. The NFL Officiating Department reviewed the video today and supports the decision not to overturn the on-field ruling following the instant replay review. The result of the game is final. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 I keep thinking of Goodell as Officer Barbrady: Nothing to see here, the correct call was made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan99 Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Sep 25, 2012 -> 12:14 PM) I keep thinking of Goodell as Officer Barbrady: Nothing to see here, the correct call was made. Yep. The NFL was never going to admit that call was incorrect even though everyone knows it was. Also, the fact that they can actually use replay to confirm that call just makes the replacement refs look even worse. It is literally impossible to watch a replay of that play and think there was simultaneous possession. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 QUOTE (whitesoxfan99 @ Sep 25, 2012 -> 12:17 PM) Yep. The NFL was never going to admit that call was incorrect even though everyone knows it was. Also, the fact that they can actually use replay to confirm that call just makes the replacement refs look even worse. It is literally impossible to watch a replay of that play and think there was simultaneous possession. The way replay works, the Ref reviewing the play made the right call... it was the call on the field that was atrocious and should have never happened given the back ref had the better view. I really hate people that bring up the pass interference, the regular refs in all likelihood don't call a pass interference... nobody wants to end a game on that note. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSox05 Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 QUOTE (GoodAsGould @ Sep 25, 2012 -> 12:51 PM) The way replay works, the Ref reviewing the play made the right call... it was the call on the field that was atrocious and should have never happened given the back ref had the better view. I really hate people that bring up the pass interference, the regular refs in all likelihood don't call a pass interference... nobody wants to end a game on that note. They normally won't call PI on that type of play, but that went beyond just two guys pushing back at each other. He pushed Sam Shields in the back and knocked him on the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 apparently there are protests outside of lambeau Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 25, 2012 Author Share Posted September 25, 2012 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Sep 25, 2012 -> 01:02 PM) apparently there are protests outside of lambeau I wonder if Packers fans are going to burn down the NFL's embassy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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