HuskyCaucasian Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 Forgive me, but what is a "bounty program"? I assume some reward system for hitting certain players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Mar 2, 2012 -> 02:11 PM) Forgive me, but what is a "bounty program"? I assume some reward system for hitting certain players. Not just hitting players, but injuring them and knocking them out of the game I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Mar 2, 2012 -> 12:15 PM) Like the one they drafted in the 1st round 5 years ago? QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Mar 2, 2012 -> 12:21 PM) Martz. F*ck Martz. He wasn't exactly stellar in Carolina last year, was he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Mar 2, 2012 -> 03:37 PM) He wasn't exactly stellar in Carolina last year, was he? 45 catches, 540 yards, 5 TD's. Very similar to the kind of numbers he put up in Chicago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Mar 2, 2012 -> 02:44 PM) 45 catches, 540 yards, 5 TD's. Very similar to the kind of numbers he put up in Chicago. Which would have put him 2nd on the Bears in catches (behind Forte, more than any WR), 2nd in yards, and tied for 1st in TDs with his replacement Kellen Davis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Mar 2, 2012 -> 02:37 PM) He wasn't exactly stellar in Carolina last year, was he? That was with Cam Newton throwing to him... something tells me Jay Cutler might have passed a bit more at the goal line. It was a fail. A big, fat fail. Olsen had plenty of speed to be a nice target in a 4-wide set if Martz wanted to have a TE that blocked. He certainly would have been a better WR this year than Roy f***ing Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Mar 2, 2012 -> 02:05 PM) Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter NFL security determined between 22 and 27 defensive players on the Saints, as well as at least one asst. coach, maintained a bounty program. Investigation reviewed 18.000 documents totaling more than 50,000 pages. Commissioner Goodell will determine the discipline. NFL determined that former Saints DC Gregg Williams administered the program with knowledge of other defensive coaches. Discipline for the Saints could include fines, suspensions and forfeiture of draft choices. NFL investigation of Saints began in 2010 when allegations were made that Saints targeted QBs such as Brett Favre and Kurt Warner. I'm not surprised that this was going on, but I hope multiple people are fired or suspended long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Mar 2, 2012 -> 02:48 PM) That was with Cam Newton throwing to him... something tells me Jay Cutler might have passed a bit more at the goal line. It was a fail. A big, fat fail. Olsen had plenty of speed to be a nice target in a 4-wide set if Martz wanted to have a TE that blocked. He certainly would have been a better WR this year than Roy f***ing Williams. Don't get me wrong, I thought Martz was a terrible fit from day one and forcing one of the few decent offensive players out the door because you're too inflexible is awful. But Olsen's been somewhat of a bust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 2, 2012 Author Share Posted March 2, 2012 jon greenberg @espnchijon If the Saints had a bounty on Earl Bennett, that's messed up. Do they hate shoe fiends? Gabe Carimi hurt his knee that game too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Mar 2, 2012 -> 02:51 PM) Don't get me wrong, I thought Martz was a terrible fit from day one and forcing one of the few decent offensive players out the door because you're too inflexible is awful. But Olsen's been somewhat of a bust. Yeah, sure, considering he was a 1st round pick, I can agree that he has been somewhat of a bust. But considering the other pass catchers on the Bears roster, they definitely should have held onto him and made it work. It's not like he was signed away by big money in free agency, they traded him for a low round pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter A safe prediction: Saints will be disciplined far worse than the Patriots were for Spygate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 According to ESPN's Adam Schefter, the NFL has determined that MLB Jonathan Vilma was one of the primary culprits in the Saints' "pay for performance" bounty program that will result in NFL discipline. "In the week of the NFC Championship Game," Schefter said on NFL Live Friday, "Saints linebacker Jonathan Vilma put $10,000 in cash on a table and said 'this goes to the guy that knocks out Brett Favre.'" Those weren't Vilma's exact words, but they were similar, according to Schefter, and he's sure to be atop the league's target list for impending discipline. It's worth nothing that Vilma is due $5.4 million in 2012 and has been discussed as a possible salary cap casualty. We wouldn't expect him back with the Saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Mar 2, 2012 -> 02:48 PM) That was with Cam Newton throwing to him... something tells me Jay Cutler might have passed a bit more at the goal line. It was a fail. A big, fat fail. Olsen had plenty of speed to be a nice target in a 4-wide set if Martz wanted to have a TE that blocked. He certainly would have been a better WR this year than Roy f***ing Williams. Like others mentioned, Olsen wasn't exactly tearing it up like people thought he would in CAR. And even then, we got great value out of him with a 3rd round pick. I am with you, thought, in regards to Martz. Hated the hiring. Hated his philosophies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 I think I've come up with my best-case-scanario (realistically) for the Bears: - Sign one of Vincent Jackson/Marques Colston - 1st round, pick one of Dre Kirkpatrick, Janoris Jenkins, Courtney Upshaw, Whitney Mercilus, Mark Barron, - 2nd round, best WR/TE available, pick one of Kendall Wright, Muhamed Sanu, Alshon Jeffery, Dwayne Allen, Orson Charles There's also some secondary WR guys I like such as AJ Jenkins, Jarius Wright, TY Hilton, Marvin McNutt, and Juron Criner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boogua Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Mar 2, 2012 -> 06:02 PM) I think I've come up with my best-case-scanario (realistically) for the Bears: - Sign one of Vincent Jackson/Marques Colston - 1st round, pick one of Dre Kirkpatrick, Janoris Jenkins, Courtney Upshaw, Whitney Mercilus, Mark Barron, - 2nd round, best WR/TE available, pick one of Kendall Wright, Muhamed Sanu, Alshon Jeffery, Dwayne Allen, Orson Charles There's also some secondary WR guys I like such as AJ Jenkins, Jarius Wright, TY Hilton, Marvin McNutt, and Juron Criner. So don't address the offensive line at all? Honestly, Kirkpatrick and Jenkins might not even be there, but even if they were I wouldn't take them. I'd take a guy like Casey Hayward later on. I'd see what the Bears do in FA and then draft based off that. If they sign VJ or MC, then I either take a DL or a guy like Cordy Glenn at 19. If the Bears sign a starting OL, then I pray and hope Michael Floyd is there. Edited March 3, 2012 by Boogua Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 QUOTE (Boogua @ Mar 2, 2012 -> 06:08 PM) So don't address the offensive line at all? This really isn't a great draft for o-linemen and all signs point to the organization feeling that the OL isn't a priority. They'll surely be bringing one in via free agency though. Plus, again, we have two 3rd round picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boogua Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Mar 2, 2012 -> 06:20 PM) This really isn't a great draft for o-linemen and all signs point to the organization feeling that the OL isn't a priority. They'll surely be bringing one in via free agency though. Plus, again, we have two 3rd round picks. This is a pretty good draft for CBs though. I don't know why we should take one in the first round. I think it should be either a DE or an offensive player (OL or WR) for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 QUOTE (Boogua @ Mar 2, 2012 -> 06:24 PM) This is a pretty good draft for CBs though. I don't know why we should take one in the first round. I think it should be either a DE or an offensive player (OL or WR) for sure. Kirkpatrick, Claiborne and Jenkins are a ways above the rest of the CB crop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Mar 2, 2012 -> 06:20 PM) This really isn't a great draft for o-linemen and all signs point to the organization feeling that the OL isn't a priority. They'll surely be bringing one in via free agency though. Plus, again, we have two 3rd round picks. If the Saints can't afford Carl Nicks, offer him the moon. He's a guard, not a tackle, but he's still one of the best in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boogua Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Mar 2, 2012 -> 06:30 PM) Kirkpatrick, Claiborne and Jenkins are a ways above the rest of the CB crop. With the cover 2 that Lovie plays, it usually doesn't need guys to be elite man coverage wise. Obviously, those three can all play in the cover 2 scheme, but their talent would be wasted a bit. Our corners play a lot of zones or play in 2 man under where they have help if they're beat deep. A guy like Casey Hayward, who looks like a perfect cover 2 guy, could be just as good for the Bears later on, but won't cost a first round pick. From a pure talent standpoint, sure, those guys are great. That's why there is a good likelihood that they won't even be there at 19. You have to take scheme into account though. Take a guy like Namdi for example. An elite cover guy that was utilized in man defenses with oakland. He flourished. He goes to Philadelphia, where they having him play zones more and he's CONSIDERABLY worse. Edited March 3, 2012 by Boogua Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Mar 2, 2012 -> 06:36 PM) If the Saints can't afford Carl Nicks, offer him the moon. He's a guard, not a tackle, but he's still one of the best in the league. Exactly. I think I said a while back the Bears should go after whichever of Colston/Nicks that they don't franchise. Which has become more likely with the Brees situation. Nicks is arguably the best OG in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 QUOTE (Boogua @ Mar 2, 2012 -> 06:38 PM) With the cover 2 that Lovie plays, it usually doesn't need guys to be elite man coverage wise. Obviously, those three can all play in the cover 2 scheme, but their talent would be wasted a bit. Our corners play a lot of zones or play in 2 man under where they have help if they're beat deep. A guy like Casey Hayward, who looks like a perfect cover 2 guy, could be just as good for the Bears later on, but won't cost a first round pick. From a pure talent standpoint, sure, those guys are great. That's why there is a good likelihood that they won't even be there at 19. You have to take scheme into account though. Take a guy like Namdi for example. An elite cover guy that was utilized in man defenses with oakland. He flourished. He goes to Philadelphia, where they having him play zones more and he's CONSIDERABLY worse. Claiborne most certainly won't be there, but the off field issues for Jenkins and Kirkpatrick could keep them around. And FWIW, I didn't say we HAD to take a DB in the first round... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 Bears have officially placed the franchise tag on Matt Forte. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 I have a feeling the Saints punishment may be bad. You have to hit the organization as well as the players, so Im thinking they lose some draft picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Mar 2, 2012 -> 07:24 PM) Bears have officially placed the franchise tag on Matt Forte. As expected. We will see if they can work out a long-term contract now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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