2012-2013 NFL Thread

[Kyyle23]

And what is it, Kyle?

 

I already told you, just like many others have. trolling. Apparently your definition of it is different than ours, but that doesnt surprise me given the current conversation of the out of bounds rule.

[iamshack]

that's a different rule than completions, otherwise foot-dragging wouldn't count.

Yeah, he's citing the down-by-contact rule.

[ChiliIrishHammock24]

You came into the thread and referred to a call without even mentioning the name of the player or the team. It is clear you knew who your target was and what your intention was. The play was not being discussed yet by Bears fans, and yet you commented on it in the way that you did (which implies that you did it almost immediately after it happened) merely for the sake of starting some sort of argument about it. You certainly did not say "Ok fellas, how is that different then the Bryant play?" Or "Guys, don't you think that is the same sort of thing that happened with Bryant?"

 

No, you clearly went after some folks you were angry at because they razzed you about your silly comments from the Cowboys game.

 

I didn't mention a player or team because 1) I didn't know who the player was and 2) I assumed most people here were watching the Bears game, so I didn't feel the need to mention the play it was, considering it just happened. I don't see how that is an proof of trolling whatsoever. We all talk freely about a game that is going on, and no one else is accused of trolling.

 

The play was not being discussed yet because it just happened. It hadn't even been ruled upon yet when I commented. I am supposed to wait until Bears fans talk about it to mention it, otherwise it is trolling? WHAT?

 

I said....

 

His knee hit out-of-bounds about 1/50th of a second after his foot hit in bounds, and according to the ruling on the Dez Bryant finger roll, it shouldn't be a TD.

 

And yet somehow saying "how is that different then the Bryant play?" somehow makes that statement completely legitimate and not considered trolling? WHAT? This makes no sense.

 

I didn't identify anyone who didn't agree with me about the Bryant play from weeks back, mainly because I don't pay attention to who thinks what and when. I rarely remember who I get in disagreements with. You are reaching way too much with this. Trying to make this a witch hunt simply because I disagreed with a call that went the Bears way. This is insane. You are essentially trying to prohibit anyone from having an opinion that jives with the opinion of Bears fans here. That's all I can gather.

[ChiliIrishHammock24]

The runner is considered down when either a: His forward progress stops or b: any part of his body other than his foot or hand touches the ground AND he is touched by a player of an opposing team.

 

Bryants hand touched down out of bounds before any other part of his body, thus he was out of bounds...Simple as that.

 

Not the same rule, as others have already mentioned.

[StrangeSox]

Two feet=in bounds. Half-a-hand or even a whole-hand=process not yet completed, similar to one foot being down. As soon as any part of his hand hits oob, play over, incomplete pass.

[ChiliIrishHammock24]

I already told you, just like many others have. trolling. Apparently your definition of it is different than ours, but that doesnt surprise me given the current conversation of the out of bounds rule.

 

Then tell me, what about my comment about Spaeth was trolling.

[Kyyle23]

Then tell me, what about my comment about Spaeth was trolling.

 

we did that too. You brought it up out of nowhere to elicit a response from Bears fans that clearly displeased you during the first round of this ridiculous Bryant was out of bounds discussion.

 

And low and behold, you got the response you wanted and at the same time set yourself as the woe-is-me poster of a Non bears team that is being witchhunted because you dont agree with them.

 

 

[Jordan4life_2007]

lol@this thread. what the hell happened? This has become worse than last year's nba thread. joe/obama vs bears fans.

[iamshack]

lol@this thread. what the hell happened? This has become worse than last year's nba thread. joe/obama vs bears fans.

It's what happens when you troll...people get tired of it and pick on you.

[chw42]

lol@this thread. what the hell happened? This has become worse than last year's nba thread. joe/obama vs bears fans.

 

In the NBA thread, everybody argued about Rose vs. advanced basketball stats. In this thread, it's all about Joe and the meaning of NFL rules and trolling.

[Harry Chappas]

Then that's all that had to be said. Not some bulls*** about trolling. I did not know it was interpreted that your ENTIRE appendage must come down in bounds, regardless of whether parts of it landed at different times. I have seen a play in which a receiver caught a ball on the tips of his toes, and then his heel landed on the line out of bounds when he completely came to rest and it was ruled a catch because he toes were in bounds first. It must have been the wrong call and I was referencing that call when thinking about the Bryant catch because it was a similar instance in which part of his hand was down before all of it. If what you say is how it's interpreted, then fine, that makes sense considering w/ Spaeth it occurred on different parts of his body, meaning the same rule doesn't apply.

 

Iamshack said that needed to be said. Now it's done.

 

The rule was clarified recently to eliminate what you are noting. The gray area was what you are saying happens toe inbound heel then comes down out of bound) how is this compared to dragging a toe in bound? That was the issue and the entire foot or hand when coming to the ground need to be inbound.

[iamshack]

The rule was clarified recently to eliminate what you are noting. The gray area was what you are saying happens toe inbound heel then comes down out of bound) how is this compared to dragging a toe in bound? That was the issue and the entire foot or hand when coming to the ground need to be inbound.

The hands basically don't help you establish possession in bounds, they can only establish that you're out of bounds.

[Jordan4life_2007]

It's what happens when you troll...people get tired of it and pick on you.

 

 

In the NBA thread, everybody argued about Rose vs. advanced basketball stats. In this thread, it's all about Joe and the meaning of NFL rules and trolling.

 

It actually started out fine. but these last few weeks have been awful.

[Chisoxfn]

I'M NOT f***ING TROLLING.

 

Jesus, that is the thing. I get threatened to stop trolling when I am not even trolling, but then can't argue that I am not trolling? Again, disagreeing with a call that went for the Bears is NOT TROLLING. You are an Admin and you can't even decipher between a disagreeing opinion and trolling?

You want to argue that. Do it in private messages. you've been sent a warning. You can either appreciate the forwardness in the fact that we touched base with you, told you what you need to do, etc, or you can not head the advice and eventually get suspended and banned. You decide.

[Steve9347]

The Apple stuff I post could easily be considered trolling, I don't deny that.

 

But saying the Spaeth TD should not have been ruled one based off a similar call earlier in the year is NOT trolling. This is the NFL thread, not the Bears thread. Just because it's dominated by mostly Bears fans doesn't mean I have to see things in favor of the Bears. I'm not even a Packers and Lions or Vikings fan, I have no reason to try and disagree with Bears fans either.

 

NOT trolling.

Why is the out of bounds rule so difficult to grasp? It looked close via live tv, but the first replay clearly showed that his foot was in-bounds and hit the ground first, which is all that matters.

 

It was close, though, I'll give you that.

[southsider2k5]

Greg Aiello ‏@gregaiello

 

Our office has notified the Lions that N Suh will not be suspended for last Thursday's incident. It will be reviewed for a potential fine.

[WHarris1]

Mike Pereira ‏@MikePereira

On the TD in CHI. Right foot was down, left toe before knee hit out of bounds. Clear touchdown.

[Steve9347]

I'm a Chiefs fan.

Ouch.

[iamshack]

Ouch.

The Chiefs aren't that far away, honestly.

 

They just need a QB and a new coaching staff.

[ChiSox_Sonix]

The Chiefs aren't that far away, honestly.

 

They just need a QB and a new coaching staff.

 

Very true. Their defense looked very impressive on Sunday. Very young team.

[chw42]

Greg Aiello ‏@gregaiello

 

Our office has notified the Lions that N Suh will not be suspended for last Thursday's incident. It will be reviewed for a potential fine.

 

From the way they talked about it, it sounded like he was going to get a suspension. I guess the NFL is playing a little nicer after the Reed suspension debacle.

[Kyyle23]

From the way they talked about it, it sounded like he was going to get a suspension. I guess the NFL is playing a little nicer after the Reed suspension debacle.

 

The union has been in the long process of dehorning the league for a few years now. It started with the Williams twins in Minnesota.

[witesoxfan]

The union has been in the long process of dehorning the league for a few years now. It started with the Williams twins in Minnesota.

 

Which is good. I don't mind giving Goodell the power to make suspensions in some of these cases, but he had gotten quite power hungry.

 

A guy like Suh though who has a terrible history of plays like this? They could have found the grounds to suspend him.

[Balta1701]

Which is good. I don't mind giving Goodell the power to make suspensions in some of these cases, but he had gotten quite power hungry.

 

A guy like Suh though who has a terrible history of plays like this? They could have found the grounds to suspend him.

I don't think you can argue motivation/intent from the video beyond a reasonable doubt, like you could with the thanksgiving stomp last year. It was too odd of a position and his eyes/body were aimed in such an odd direction...it'd be real tough to suspend based on that, no matter the player's reputation.

[SexiAlexei]

I honestly do not understand that at all.

 

If they fine him, they are saying the kick to the groin was intentional.

 

With Suh's history, that should be a suspension. But they are saying even though it was intentional, it doesn't merit a suspension for him? I don't agree with that logic at all.