2012-2013 NFL Thread

[Heads22]

This press conference is great. It's always nice to know people care, and both parties are crying through their speeches.

 

You can tell neither side wanted it to happen this way but both knew they had to.

[MexSoxFan#1]

Irsay is a piece of s***.

[MexSoxFan#1]

 

RIP

 

http://m.deadspin.com/5891277/dave-duerson...mmitted-suicide

 

Dave Duerson was a millionaire and a successful CEO after the conclusion of his 11-year NFL career. But when he shot himself in the heart last year, leaving behind a note that asked his family to donate his brain for dementia testing, Duerson was going through bankruptcy proceedings. He owed hundreds of thousands of dollars to creditors in relation to his former business interests, and his family is suing the NFL, saying the brain damage he suffered as a player led to his downward spiral and ultimate demise.

 

Duerson's bankruptcy case was recently settled, and Miami New Times got its hands on the appraisal of the total value of Duerson's assets at the time of his death. Of note is that Duerson had tried to claim as an asset more than $34 million in a court judgment related to one of his former businesses. But that money was deemed to be irrecoverable. The total sum of the appraisal? Just $19,500:

 

A bankruptcy trustee oversaw the auction of Duerson's 2002 Cadillac Escalade. It went for $6,000.

 

At Duerson's death scene, according to documents filed by the bankruptcy trustee in court, police collected some of the valuables from his house. Those included his "Super Bowl rings, personal property, and other memorabilia."

 

The cops then gave the item's to Dave's family. In June, the trustee— who, in fairness, was tasked with a pretty morbid job— worked to get a list of the items from police. She then negotiated a price with the family for the valuables: $3,000.

 

The trustee also valued Duerson's stalled business consulting company DD Favor, LLC at $3,000, miscellaneous items at $7,000, and two 17-year-old lithographs at $500.

 

Or, as the Miami New Times added, just to emphasize how sad this story has become: "When he took his own life in the throes of dementia, his most valuable asset was a nine-year-old car."

 

Dave Duerson's Assets Were Worth a Grand Total of $19,500 at Death [Miami New Times]

 

 

[Heads22]

Irsay is a piece of s***.

 

Why? Because he doesn't want to be out $28 million to a quarterback who may never be effective again?

 

In the coldest sense, it's his job to look out for the Colts and not for Manning. He did what was the best move for the franchise. Do you honestly think he wanted to get rid of Manning?

 

 

[MexSoxFan#1]

Why? Because he doesn't want to be out $28 million to a quarterback who may never be effective again?

 

In the coldest sense, it's his job to look out for the Colts and not for Manning. He did what was the best move for the franchise. Do you honestly think he wanted to get rid of Manning?

http://m.espn.go.com/nfl/story?storyId=7656028

 

Both men said money was not a factor. Manning missed all of last season after having his third neck surgery in 19 months, a fusion of two vertebrae. Without him, the Colts were an NFL-worst 2-14, which comes with the No. 1 overall draft pick in April.

Edited March 7, 2012 by MexSoxFan#1

[Steve9347]

What people say and the truth of often different things.

[jenksycat]

http://m.espn.go.com/nfl/story?storyId=7656028

 

And I'm sure that's 100% the truth just like when every athlete says "it's not about the money". Its ALWAYS about the money, especially when that money is 28 million dollars to a guy with 15 neck surgeries in 2 years.

[GoSox05]

I just don't think you will see too many players play for one team.

 

 

[witesoxfan]

I'd love for the 49ers to sign Wallace.. I also have a feeling he will be signing with us next week.

 

Wallace has said that he loves the 49ers organization..

 

Did you even read the blip or just see that it said the 49ers were interested and had a specific price on both Wallace and Jackson? Considering how much cap space the Steelers have cleared in the last couple weeks, it's either going to take a monstrous offer and/or a high enough draft pick that the Steelers can bring in additional talent to offset the loss of talent in Wallace. From that report, neither the money nor the pick will be there.

 

I give the 49ers a 0.1% chance of signing Mike Wallace.

 

A guy I hadn't thought of is Robert Meachem, and he really does fit what the 49ers need and he is going to be much more cost effective than Wallace too.

 

Wallace is a great player, but most of his value comes from playing with a QB who can throw absolute bombs. Roethlisberger can do that; Smith can't.

 

A team that may be willing to give up their 1st rounder that, IMO, makes more sense is the Ravens, but the Steelers would pull out all the strings to prevent that from happening, and, with the Steelers' history of hitting on 1st round picks, I tend to doubt that the Ravens want to give their pick to the Steelers as well. The Patriots make some sense too, but I imagine they would also rather look at Jackson or Meachem before giving up a 1st rounder, but with Belichick wants something, cost isn't a huge obstacle.

 

In the end, I think Wallace stays with Pittsburgh but that they'll have to match an offer.

Edited March 7, 2012 by witesoxfan

[SoxFan1]

Did you even read the blip or just see that it said the 49ers were interested and had a specific price on both Wallace and Jackson? Considering how much cap space the Steelers have cleared in the last couple weeks, it's either going to take a monstrous offer and/or a high enough draft pick that the Steelers can bring in additional talent to offset the loss of talent in Wallace. From that report, neither the money nor the pick will be there.

 

I give the 49ers a 0.1% chance of signing Mike Wallace.

 

A guy I hadn't thought of is Robert Meachem, and he really does fit what the 49ers need and he is going to be much more cost effective than Wallace too.

 

Wallace is a great player, but most of his value comes from playing with a QB who can throw absolute bombs. Roethlisberger can do that; Smith can't.

 

A team that may be willing to give up their 1st rounder that, IMO, makes more sense is the Ravens, but the Steelers would pull out all the strings to prevent that from happening, and, with the Steelers' history of hitting on 1st round picks, I tend to doubt that the Ravens want to give their pick to the Steelers as well. The Patriots make some sense too, but I imagine they would also rather look at Jackson or Meachem before giving up a 1st rounder, but with Belichick wants something, cost isn't a huge obstacle.

 

In the end, I think Wallace stays with Pittsburgh but that they'll have to match an offer.

If I'm not mistaken, the Patriots have 2 first-round picks this year anyway.

[DBAHO]

Really hoping the Boys can sign Brandon Carr as a FA, but him and Finnegan could be looking at 10M a season contracts.

 

Still for a 26 year old Pro Bowl caliber CB, those guys don't grow on trees, and the Cowboys CB's are probably the worst in the NFL. Luckily they can save $6M by releasing Newman, so paying an extra $4M for Carr looks like pretty good business.

[cabiness42]

If I'm not mistaken, the Patriots have 2 first-round picks this year anyway.

 

Don't the Patriots have 2 first round picks every year?

[southsider2k5]

http://www.csnchicago.com/football-chicago...tm_medium=email

 

Report: Bears will cut ties with Hanie

 

JEREMY LYNN

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Jay Cutler went down with a broken thumb suffered during the Week 11 game vs. San Diego and so did the Bears season when Caleb Hanie couldn't find success for four weeks.

 

Hanie, 26, will become an unrestricted free agent and reports suggest that the Bears will not make an effort to re-sign him.

 

In his four starts, Hanie completed 51 of 102 passes for 613 yards. He threw three touchdown passes and nine interceptions and his highest quarterback rating was a 79.9.

 

The undrafted QB out of Colorado State was replaced for the final two games by Josh McCown.

[Balta1701]

Don't the Patriots have 2 first round picks every year?

Because they usually make a trade on draft day to get another one.

[cabiness42]

Why are teams always dumb enough to trade with the Patriots? It's pretty clear by now that they come out on top with every single trade they make.

[daa84]

http://www.csnchicago.com/football-chicago...tm_medium=email

Report: Bears will cut ties with Hanie

JEREMY LYNN

csnchicago.png

 

Jay Cutler went down with a broken thumb suffered during the Week 11 game vs. San Diego and so did the Bears season when Caleb Hanie couldn't find success for four weeks.

 

Hanie, 26, will become an unrestricted free agent and reports suggest that the Bears will not make an effort to re-sign him.

 

In his four starts, Hanie completed 51 of 102 passes for 613 yards. He threw three touchdown passes and nine interceptions and his highest quarterback rating was a 79.9.

 

The undrafted QB out of Colorado State was replaced for the final two games by Josh McCown.

 

Also a harvard grad?

[Dick Allen]

And I'm sure that's 100% the truth just like when every athlete says "it's not about the money". Its ALWAYS about the money, especially when that money is 28 million dollars to a guy with 15 neck surgeries in 2 years.

I agree. I don't know how stupid Irsay thinks people are, but to say this has nothing to do with money is a joke. It has everything to do with money. No one would blame him for cutting Manning knowing he would have to pay him so much for basically a question mark. But if he wants to tell everyone its not about the money, how can anyone ever believe anything he ever says again?

[Kyyle23]

Why are teams always dumb enough to trade with the Patriots? It's pretty clear by now that they come out on top with every single trade they make.

 

Not true. they have one of the best QBs in history, thats pretty much it. Last year they traded for Ochocinco and Haynesworth, didnt quite work out. Their defense has become a shadow of its former self, and a lot of that has to do with their drafting, the players they are getting arent working out like they used to. they are still very, very good, dont get me wrong. But their first round picks arent all as great as we would like to think

[Balta1701]

Not true. they have one of the best QBs in history, thats pretty much it. Last year they traded for Ochocinco and Haynesworth, didnt quite work out. Their defense has become a shadow of its former self, and a lot of that has to do with their drafting, the players they are getting arent working out like they used to. they are still very, very good, dont get me wrong. But their first round picks arent all as great as we would like to think

Well, also, wasn't it the Raiders who gave them their first round pick this year or one of these years? The Raiders front office hasn't exactly impressed lately.

[Kyyle23]

Well, also, wasn't it the Raiders who gave them their first round pick this year or one of these years? The Raiders front office hasn't exactly impressed lately.

 

That is another issue entirely. This is the Patriots last 10 years of picks

 

2001 6 Richard Seymour DT Georgia

2002 21 Daniel Graham TE Colorado [29]

2003 13 Ty Warren DT Texas A&M [30]

2004 21 Vince Wilfork DT Miami (FL) [31]

32 Benjamin Watson TE Georgia

2005 32 Logan Mankins OG Fresno State

2006 21 Laurence Maroney RB Minnesota

2007 24 Brandon Meriweather S Miami (FL) [32]

2008 10 Jerod Mayo LB Tennessee [33]

2009 No first-round draft pick [34]

2010 27 Devin McCourty CB Rutgers [35]

2011 17 Nate Solder OT Colorado

 

Some decent talent, some swings and misses. Nothing awe inspiring. Wilfork, Mayo, Mankins and Seymour obviously worked. Everyone else, meh

[southsider2k5]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/break...story?track=rss

 

The Kansas City Chiefs and Denver Broncos have spoken to representatives for free agent Peyton Manning, according to NFL Network.

 

The Seahawks and Cardinals were also on the list of 12 teams who have reportedly reached out to gauge Manning's interest.

 

CBS Sports cited an anonymous team official from one bidder who said Miami, Washington and Denver were the front-runners for Manning.

 

Manning said Wednesday he hadn't thought about where he wanted to go, but he'll have no shortage of options. Manning said late Wednesday, when he pulled his vehicle into a church parking lot in Miami Beach because he was being followed by media and a TV helicopter, that he didn't understand how free agency worked or if it was like college recruiting, where he would set up visits.

 

"I have no idea who wants me, what team wants me, how this process works," he said.

 

Manning has a condo in South Florida and has been working out with former Colts teammate Reggie Wayne.

[cabiness42]

I agree. I don't know how stupid Irsay thinks people are, but to say this has nothing to do with money is a joke. It has everything to do with money. No one would blame him for cutting Manning knowing he would have to pay him so much for basically a question mark. But if he wants to tell everyone its not about the money, how can anyone ever believe anything he ever says again?

 

It is about the money to the extent that it relates to the salary cap, but beyond that it really isn't about the money.

 

Irsay forces Peyton back to the Colts by paying him the $28M, which nobody in their right mind thinks he should do.

 

Once that decision is made, Peyton has no good reason to come back to the Colts voluntarily at any price, because he only has 3-4 years left and the Colts are 2-3 years away from contending.

 

[Dick Allen]

It is about the money to the extent that it relates to the salary cap, but beyond that it really isn't about the money.

 

Irsay forces Peyton back to the Colts by paying him the $28M, which nobody in their right mind thinks he should do.

 

Once that decision is made, Peyton has no good reason to come back to the Colts voluntarily at any price, because he only has 3-4 years left and the Colts are 2-3 years away from contending.

If not for a $28 million roster bonus, he would not have been released. Its all about the benjamins. I'm not saying releasing him wasn't the correct move, I believe it was, but it was about money.

 

I hope he can come back and play at his previous level, except if he's playing the Bears. How he handles everything makes me a bigger fan every time.

Edited March 8, 2012 by Dick Allen

[Balta1701]

If not for a $28 million roster bonus, he would not have been released. Its all about the benjamins. I'm not saying releasing him wasn't the correct move, I believe it was, but it was about money.

It's not just about it being $28 million either...it's about the cap space...it's that his contract is front-loaded and effectively destroys their cap space, so assuming they kept Wayne, they wouldn't be able to add anything other than the draft to get better. (Oh, and Freeney also has something ridiculous like a $15 million number while we're at it). The Colts could have traded down to try to stockpile picks, but everyone knows that "picks" can take 2-3 years to pan out, and by then Peyton might well be pushing retirement.

 

If they kept him, they'd be going into next season with a weaker and older version of the team that was what, 10-6 two seasons ago, or they'd have a bunch of stockpiled draft picks from whoever moved up to get Luck (and they probably coudln't get fair value for that QB anyway).

[Dick Allen]

It's not just about it being $28 million either...it's about the cap space...it's that his contract is front-loaded and effectively destroys their cap space, so assuming they kept Wayne, they wouldn't be able to add anything other than the draft to get better. (Oh, and Freeney also has something ridiculous like a $15 million number while we're at it). The Colts could have traded down to try to stockpile picks, but everyone knows that "picks" can take 2-3 years to pan out, and by then Peyton might well be pushing retirement.

 

If they kept him, they'd be going into next season with a weaker and older version of the team that was what, 10-6 two seasons ago, or they'd have a bunch of stockpiled draft picks from whoever moved up to get Luck (and they probably coudln't get fair value for that QB anyway).

Cap space is still money. Irsay said it had nothing to do with money. That's a lie.