2012-2013 NFL Thread

[RockRaines]

Interview Tressel dammit.

[WHarris1]

No they were sure what type of coach they wanted, Chip Kelly.

 

If I want a specific product and I go to the store and its sold out, then I have to make another choice. Especially in this scenario when there is no other Chip Kelly because they wanted a certain person for his unique skills.

 

Its like saying that I wanted to hire Phil Jackson, but once I couldnt hire him I went in a completely different direction. Of course that makes sense, because I want the individual for their uniqueness.

I would consider Trestman to be a pretty unique coach, certainly not unique in caliber but unique in a number of ways. Certainly if they are interested in having him as one of their finalists each of the other finalists are not going to be very similar to this individual. All three finalists are offensive coordinator types, despite their dissimilarity.

 

And even removing Chip Kelly from the equation the candidates the Eagles have pursued since Kelly have a very wide range in style and philosophy. EDIT: the net they have cast outside of Kelly is similarly wide as the Bears.

Edited January 15, 2013 by WHarris1

[RockRaines]

All big ten coaching staff

 

Hc: Tressel

OC: Kevin Wilson

DC: Mark Dantonio

[Jake]

I don't think Emery goes into the interview looking for a guy who says we should become 2-1 pass or 2-1 run or whatever. As he said in his PC, he isn't there to prescribe a coaching philosophy to anyone. The "winner" of this interview process is the one who can convince him that HE can win with the Bears both now and onward, indefinitely. There is a particular kind of personality or kinds of personalities he wants and he talked about some of those things in that press conference. I'd say the quality of the argument is as important as to the substance of it -- you don't have to run a 4-3, but you must give me a satisfactory explanation (using the reasoning that appeals to my football sense) as to why you would do things differently.

[WHarris1]

I don't think Emery goes into the interview looking for a guy who says we should become 2-1 pass or 2-1 run or whatever. As he said in his PC, he isn't there to prescribe a coaching philosophy to anyone. The "winner" of this interview process is the one who can convince him that HE can win with the Bears both now and onward, indefinitely. There is a particular kind of personality or kinds of personalities he wants and he talked about some of those things in that press conference. I'd say the quality of the argument is as important as to the substance of it -- you don't have to run a 4-3, but you must give me a satisfactory explanation (using the reasoning that appeals to my football sense) as to why you would do things differently.

Exactly. Maybe it's not such a bad thing that Emery isn't out there thinking he knows exactly what the best formula for offensive success is, couldn't his openness to ideas be an asset in the end?

 

Another example, speaking of Trestman in particular, he was the runner up for the Indianpolis job a year ago that ended up going to Chuck Pagano - a defensive mind.

Edited January 15, 2013 by WHarris1

[Soxbadger]

I would consider Trestman to be a pretty unique coach, certainly not unique in caliber but unique in a number of ways. Certainly if they are interested in having him as one of their finalists each of the other finalists are not going to be very similar to this individual. All three finalists are offensive coordinator types, despite their dissimilarity.

 

And even removing Chip Kelly from the equation the candidates the Eagles have pursued since Kelly have a very wide range in style and philosophy. EDIT: the net they have cast outside of Kelly is similarly wide as the Bears.

 

First of all you are acting like I think the Eagles are well run, Im not qualified to speak about their team, but I am pretty sure that their last NFL Championship was before 1985, so not exactly a team that I am looking to emulate.

 

Secondly, if we want to hire people because of their "unique" story, well Bevell was a mormon and went on a mission. He also won the Rose Bowl for Wisconsin.

 

Third, just because they are OC's doesnt mean that they are similar. That would be like saying if I had 2 DC finalists, 1 who ran 4-3 exclusively and 1 who ran 3-4 exclusively that they were similar. Sure they both coach defense, but they do it in an entirely different way.

 

 

I don't think Emery goes into the interview looking for a guy who says we should become 2-1 pass or 2-1 run or whatever. As he said in his PC, he isn't there to prescribe a coaching philosophy to anyone. The "winner" of this interview process is the one who can convince him that HE can win with the Bears both now and onward, indefinitely. There is a particular kind of personality or kinds of personalities he wants and he talked about some of those things in that press conference. I'd say the quality of the argument is as important as to the substance of it -- you don't have to run a 4-3, but you must give me a satisfactory explanation (using the reasoning that appeals to my football sense) as to why you would do things differently.

 

 

Exactly. Maybe it's not such a bad thing that Emery isn't out there thinking he knows exactly what the best formula for offensive success is, couldn't his openness to ideas be an asset in the end?

 

Another example, speaking of Trestman in particular, he was the runner up for the Indianpolis job a year ago that winded up going to Chuck Pagano - a defensive mind.

 

The argument was against Jake for saying that "Emery knows exactly what he wants".

 

I dont care if he goes into the final interview with a DC, OC, ST, a NCAA HC etc. That isnt what I am saying. I am saying that Emery does not know exactly what he wants. I am not sure why you are even arguing, because you are now saying that "openness could be an asset."

 

Well of course it could be, I never said it couldnt.

 

I very specifically was saying that based on the interview process there is no way to logically conclude Emery knows exactly what he wants.

 

No one is even arguing against that. I am not saying which interview process is better. It depends on the person. Which is why I used 2 examples of buying a car, because both examples are fine, but there is no way you can argue that in one of them I knew exactly what I wanted.

[WHarris1]

The argument was against Jake for saying that "Emery knows exactly what he wants".

 

I dont care if he goes into the final interview with a DC, OC, ST, a NCAA HC etc. That isnt what I am saying. I am saying that Emery does not know exactly what he wants. I am not sure why you are even arguing, because you are now saying that "openness could be an asset."

 

Well of course it could be, I never said it couldnt.

 

I very specifically was saying that based on the interview process there is no way to logically conclude Emery knows exactly what he wants.

 

No one is even arguing against that. I am not saying which interview process is better. It depends on the person. Which is why I used 2 examples of buying a car, because both examples are fine, but there is no way you can argue that in one of them I knew exactly what I wanted.

I see, I took your post to imply that "not knowing exactly what you want" is a detriment to the GM and the coaching search. No harm intended.

 

I agree entirely that this coaching search has revealed that Emery does not know what he wants as an end game, I was just defending that that might not be a bad approach to the process.

 

EDIT: and obviously none of the teams searching for a head coach this season are franchises worth emulation it was just an example that many organizations enter the process casting a wide net.

Edited January 15, 2013 by WHarris1

[Soxbadger]

I see, I took your post to imply that "not knowing exactly what you want" is a detriment to the GM and the coaching search. No harm intended.

 

I agree entirely that this coaching search has revealed that Emery does not know what he wants as an end game, I was just defending that that might not be a bad approach to the process.

 

EDIT: and obviously none of the teams searching for a head coach this season are franchises worth emulation it was just an example that many organizations enter the process casting a wide net.

 

Having an open mind could be good or bad. My worry about Emery comes from the fact he was hired by the Bears front office which has consistently proven to be bad.

[WHarris1]

Having an open mind could be good or bad. My worry about Emery comes from the fact he was hired by the Bears front office which has consistently proven to be bad.

Yes unfortunately trusting the McCaskey's and dips*** Ted Phillips is nearly impossible. I just so badly hope for and want Emery to be the guy. I like a lot of his qualities like his apparent diligence and attention to detail, but his reign will ultimately be judged in large part by this hire. So here's to hoping that he really is a bright guy whose wide ranging, "no stone unturned" coaching search will lead to a home run of a hire.

[Soxbadger]

Yeah Im just in a really strange mood about the Bears. Im not a Lovie fan, but I just have this really bad feeling. Maybe if Im really negative the bears will do good and then Ill just have to deal with being a naysayer and hater.

 

I guess another draft could really change things too. I just was so underwhelmed with last years draft, just really concerned.

[ptatc]

Interview yes, make them finalists would suggest that the GM isnt sure what he wants to do, right?

 

For example.

 

If I know what type of car I want to buy (sports car), Im not likely to have my 2 finalists be a Porsche and a F-150. Because what is the point of that. My 2 finalists would likely be 2 sports cars.

 

Now if I have no clue what type of car I want, then I might pick 2 cars that are extremely different. But that would mean I dont know what I want. And if Emery doesnt know what type of coach he wants at this point in his career, Im really really scared.

In one of his press conferences he says he wasn't looking for a specific x and o strategy but more of a leader who can take the team to a championship. This could explain the various "types" of coaches. He is looking for the guy who impresses him with overall coaching ability not a strategy. I'm not defending him just trying to figure out his process.

[Dick Allen]

First of all you are acting like I think the Eagles are well run, Im not qualified to speak about their team, but I am pretty sure that their last NFL Championship was before 1985, so not exactly a team that I am looking to emulate.

 

Secondly, if we want to hire people because of their "unique" story, well Bevell was a mormon and went on a mission. He also won the Rose Bowl for Wisconsin.

 

Third, just because they are OC's doesnt mean that they are similar. That would be like saying if I had 2 DC finalists, 1 who ran 4-3 exclusively and 1 who ran 3-4 exclusively that they were similar. Sure they both coach defense, but they do it in an entirely different way.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The argument was against Jake for saying that "Emery knows exactly what he wants".

 

I dont care if he goes into the final interview with a DC, OC, ST, a NCAA HC etc. That isnt what I am saying. I am saying that Emery does not know exactly what he wants. I am not sure why you are even arguing, because you are now saying that "openness could be an asset."

 

Well of course it could be, I never said it couldnt.

 

I very specifically was saying that based on the interview process there is no way to logically conclude Emery knows exactly what he wants.

 

No one is even arguing against that. I am not saying which interview process is better. It depends on the person. Which is why I used 2 examples of buying a car, because both examples are fine, but there is no way you can argue that in one of them I knew exactly what I wanted.

He can know what he wants, but it's not like shopping for a car. First off, he obviously doesn't have the final say if the second interviews are with Emery's bosses. Secondly, there are other teams looking for coaches. Perhaps his #1 choice prefers to coach elsewhere or doesn't want to come to the Bears. Knowing exactly what he wants and getting it are two different things. You have to have plan B and plan C in place or you really might get smoked. One thing is guaranteed, whoever the do wind up picking, unless some negotiation goes terribly wrong and public, will be referred to as the guy who was their top choice.

Edited January 15, 2013 by Dick Allen

[cabiness42]

He can know what he wants, but it's not like shopping for a car. First off, he obviously doesn't have the final say if the second interviews are with Emery's bosses. Secondly, there are other teams looking for coaches. Perhaps his #1 choice prefers to coach elsewhere or doesn't want to come to the Bears. Knowing exactly what he wants and getting it are two different things. You have to have plan B and plan C in place or you really might get smoked.

 

I agree with that, though it's hard to imagine any of these guys turning down the Bears. An opportunity to coach a team that has won 29 games in the past three seasons does not come around often. 90% of the time the open jobs are with teams that have won something like 15 games in the past three seasons.

[Dick Allen]

I agree with that, though it's hard to imagine any of these guys turning down the Bears. An opportunity to coach a team that has won 29 games in the past three seasons does not come around often. 90% of the time the open jobs are with teams that have won something like 15 games in the past three seasons.

I know that, there are tons of factors, and if you are a top candidate for a job, and every year this happens it seems the teams looking for coaches interview from the same pool, you might as well hear what everyone has to say.

[SOXOBAMA]

With McCoy going to the Chargers, does that leave Lovie without a HC job?

[Kyyle23]

With McCoy going to the Chargers, does that leave Lovie without a HC job?

 

There is still Arizona

[bmags]

Sad to see McCoy and Dennison out of the search. Really liked how both managed their talent. But I suppose we'll see.

[iamshack]

There is still Arizona

Did the Eagles hire someone?

 

 

Edited January 15, 2013 by iamshack

[GoSox05]

Did the Eagles hire someone?

 

 

Not yet, but it looks like Gus Bradley is the guy they want.

[Kyyle23]

Did the Eagles hire someone?

 

Biggs said this morning that the Eagles look like they are about to lock down Gus Bradley.

[iamshack]

Biggs said this morning that the Eagles look like they are about to lock down Gus Bradley.

And is the Jaguars job open?

[bmags]

Hmm, was Seattle so well coached that 2 coordinators will become HC?

[Kyyle23]

And is the Jaguars job open?

 

That is the one job I havent heard Lovie connected with. I suppose it is possible, but I havent heard anyone interviewing there yet

[Balta1701]

That is the one job I havent heard Lovie connected with. I suppose it is possible, but I havent heard anyone interviewing there yet

Didn't it just open a couple days ago?

[Kyyle23]

Didn't it just open a couple days ago?

 

It did, but the bears were requesting permission to interview candidates before Lovie was out the door. You would think the Jaguars would be bringing some people in as quickly as possible considering the position came open so much later than everyone else.