Jenksismyhero Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Mar 22, 2012 -> 01:35 PM) I don't get why they b**** so much about it, it's great guaranteed money for one year. Yeah you don't get the big deal but it's an effective way to keep a player on a team while still in "negotiations" while also paying the player top dollar. Honestly I think the stupidest thing a player can do is holdout. I'd be pissed too. Instead of getting a multi-year deal with more guaranteed money (i.e., security in case of injury) he's got to play basically for yearly contracts. It's kind of bogus, especially since he's arguably the second most important player on the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Mar 22, 2012 -> 02:03 PM) I'd be pissed too. Instead of getting a multi-year deal with more guaranteed money (i.e., security in case of injury) he's got to play basically for yearly contracts. It's kind of bogus, especially since he's arguably the second most important player on the team. Then agree to a reasonable contract extension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunkBomber Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 For people who dont like what the Bears have done so far this offseason, mostly non Bears fan, if the Bears had Campbell and Bush last season theyd EASILY have made the playoffs. We also got a WR that was significantly better than anyone available in FA who already has a proven track record with our QB. We also resigned Davis, Idonije, Steltz, McCown etc for depth. Sure there are other things they need to address but you cant fix everything in FA. The Bears were in on Mario Williams but he got too expensive. They were also close to getting Mincey also, so they appear to have a good idea where their weaknesses are. There werent many affordable OL options that would have been huge upgrades so Id assume they will address OL and DL in the draft along with bolstering the WR corps a little more. The Bush signing is huge. Hes proven he can be a very good back in the league and plays a complete game. Hes also young and as someone else pointed out he doesnt have a ton of mileage on him. If Forte is mad than thats fine, the Bears have been trying to sign him long term and offered a very fair deal and he turned it down. We went from bringing in Roy Williams and MB3 to Marshall, Bush and Campbell. You can already see the difference the change in GM has made. I havent been this excited for a draft that the Bears didnt have a top 10 pick for in as long as I can remember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 22, 2012 Author Share Posted March 22, 2012 QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Mar 22, 2012 -> 02:03 PM) I'd be pissed too. Instead of getting a multi-year deal with more guaranteed money (i.e., security in case of injury) he's got to play basically for yearly contracts. It's kind of bogus, especially since he's arguably the second most important player on the team. And with the life cycle of RB's being what it is, I agree with the Bears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenksycat Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Mar 22, 2012 -> 02:03 PM) I'd be pissed too. Instead of getting a multi-year deal with more guaranteed money (i.e., security in case of injury) he's got to play basically for yearly contracts. It's kind of bogus, especially since he's arguably the second most important player on the team. He turned down the multi-year offer. I love me some Forte, but after watching Peterson have his leg amputated after signing for 300 million, you just can't pay RB like that anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 I can understand both sides. For the Bears why would you give a guy a guarantee of 20-25 million when you can tag him for 7 a year (especially when he was so underpaid his first few seasons). From Forte's side, Chris Johnson just signed a multi-year deal with a 10 million signing bonus and 7-10 mil base per year. So i'd be angry too knowing that my paycheck is limited to a one year contract for 7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Mar 22, 2012 -> 01:00 PM) Forte is offically pissed... There's only so many times a man that has done everything he's been asked to do can be disrespected! Guess the GOOD GUYS do finish last....— Matt Forte (@MattForte22) March 22, 2012 You turned down a contract offer......................b**** to your union they agreed to labor deal of franchise tags. You get $7.742 million for 2012 not 500,000 grand the public is not gonna feel sorry for you MT! Edited March 22, 2012 by Soxfest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSox05 Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Mar 22, 2012 -> 02:58 PM) I can understand both sides. For the Bears why would you give a guy a guarantee of 20-25 million when you can tag him for 7 a year (especially when he was so underpaid his first few seasons). From Forte's side, Chris Johnson just signed a multi-year deal with a 10 million signing bonus and 7-10 mil base per year. So i'd be angry too knowing that my paycheck is limited to a one year contract for 7. Plus for the past two years they have given more money to your back ups. Both who aren't nearly as good as you are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 I think Forte will be traded. I just dont' know if the Bears will get more than a 2nd rounder for him (and I really don't know if they'd even get that). However, I'd be content if they got a 2nd rounder for Forte at this point because long term, I don't see the Bears keeping him (based upon what they just did). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 I hope Bush isnt a long term plan, the guy has only 1 year where he rushed over 160 times and had a pretty significant leg injury at the end of college. Hes good for a back up, but I wouldnt want him as a #1, unless he was splitting carries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Mar 22, 2012 -> 02:58 PM) I can understand both sides. For the Bears why would you give a guy a guarantee of 20-25 million when you can tag him for 7 a year (especially when he was so underpaid his first few seasons). From Forte's side, Chris Johnson just signed a multi-year deal with a 10 million signing bonus and 7-10 mil base per year. So i'd be angry too knowing that my paycheck is limited to a one year contract for 7. Well the Bears did offer him an extension, but he said no to it. (More like 15 mil guranteed, not 20-25) I do understand where Forte is coming from too, just his move of playing the victim card to the public isn't the best one IMO. No fan is gonna feel sorry for him when he has been offered an extension already to which he said no, and when his 2012 salary will be $7 million a year guaranteed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 22, 2012 Author Share Posted March 22, 2012 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Mar 22, 2012 -> 03:27 PM) Well the Bears did offer him an extension, but he said no to it. (More like 15 mil guranteed, not 20-25) I do understand where Forte is coming from too, just his move of playing the victim card to the public isn't the best one IMO. No fan is gonna feel sorry for him when he has been offered an extension already to which he said no, and when his 2012 salary will be $7 million a year guaranteed. I get both sides really, it isn't that complicated. Football is different because of the non-guaranteed nature of their contacts. I understand a player holding out because their contract means nothing. I also understand the Bears not paying up, because RBs historically fall off of cliffs very quickly, and oh yeah, Forte is coming off of a pretty serious knee injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 22, 2012 -> 04:37 PM) I get both sides really, it isn't that complicated. Football is different because of the non-guaranteed nature of their contacts. I understand a player holding out because their contract means nothing. I also understand the Bears not paying up, because RBs historically fall off of cliffs very quickly, and oh yeah, Forte is coming off of a pretty serious knee injury. If Forte was seriously worried about the non-guaranteed nature of those contracts, then he could have signed an extension 2 years ago, probably gotten $12-$15 million, and been well on his way to renegotiating already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Mar 22, 2012 -> 05:04 PM) If Forte was seriously worried about the non-guaranteed nature of those contracts, then he could have signed an extension 2 years ago, probably gotten $12-$15 million, and been well on his way to renegotiating already. Except that would have been less money than getting tagged twice, so he gets screwed both ways. It's pretty s***ty of the Bears to not offer him a 20-25 million dollar 3 year deal with like 15-18 guaranteed. That would have been market rate for a guy as important as he is. I understand why the Bears didn't, but it doesn't make it less s***ty for Forte. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Mar 22, 2012 -> 05:12 PM) Except that would have been less money than getting tagged twice, so he gets screwed both ways. It's pretty s***ty of the Bears to not offer him a 20-25 million dollar 3 year deal with like 15-18 guaranteed. That would have been market rate for a guy as important as he is. I understand why the Bears didn't, but it doesn't make it less s***ty for Forte. I could have swore there are reports he was offered $15. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeNukeEm Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 Matt Forte is having a Tweetdown the likes of which you rarely see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Mar 22, 2012 -> 04:25 PM) Matt Forte is having a Tweetdown the likes of which you rarely see. More stuff? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 22, 2012 -> 03:37 PM) I get both sides really, it isn't that complicated. Football is different because of the non-guaranteed nature of their contacts. I understand a player holding out because their contract means nothing. I also understand the Bears not paying up, because RBs historically fall off of cliffs very quickly, and oh yeah, Forte is coming off of a pretty serious knee injury. Exactly. The NFL is the only league I have no problem with players with contracts holding out. If they have a bad year they get cut. If they have a better than expected year, they should get paid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Mar 22, 2012 -> 06:32 PM) More stuff? for the record I'm not mad at the signing of another running back. This is 4th time that's happened. I embrace competition as well as help— Matt Forte (@MattForte22) March 22, 2012 But as for not taking care of ur own and undervaluing a player under his market value is another story! #twitterrant— Matt Forte (@MattForte22) March 22, 2012 Just Keeping it real...hate it or love it— Matt Forte (@MattForte22) March 22, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 That isn't all that bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Mar 22, 2012 -> 07:39 PM) That isn't all that bad. Yes it is. Would you go on Twitter and bash your employer, say you're being disrespected and essentially ask for a raise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 It depends on what youre saying. I could b**** all day long about not getting paid enough, but as long as I still make them a lot of money, what are they going to do, fire me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunkBomber Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Mar 22, 2012 -> 10:33 PM) Yes it is. Would you go on Twitter and bash your employer, say you're being disrespected and essentially ask for a raise? These guys dont live in corporate America. Of course pretty much anyone who posts on here wouldnt do that but professional athletes are in a much different position than us. However, if I had over 10 other companies willing to pay me what I was asking and I felt I was being underpaid in comparison to my peers then yes I wouldnt have a problem doing it. Its not like the Bears are gonna fire Matt Forte and he is gonna be out of a job. While I dont blame Forte for being angry, I also dont fault the Bears here. They spent a lot of time trying to work out a long term deal with him and the last offer they made was pretty fair. Look around the NFL at some of the top RB's who have just gotten big contracts; Chris Johnson, AP, Deangelo Williams. Also look at the recent Super Bowl champs; Giants, Packers, Steelers, Colts, Saints, Patriots. None of those teams have high priced running backs. So while it would be nice to make a deal to keep Forte in town, if he is gonna overprice himself the Bears are better suited using him this season and then tagging him again and trying to deal him and pick up another replacement in one of the next two drafts or in next seasons FA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawksfan61 Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Mar 22, 2012 -> 03:58 PM) I can understand both sides. For the Bears why would you give a guy a guarantee of 20-25 million when you can tag him for 7 a year (especially when he was so underpaid his first few seasons). From Forte's side, Chris Johnson just signed a multi-year deal with a 10 million signing bonus and 7-10 mil base per year. So i'd be angry too knowing that my paycheck is limited to a one year contract for 7. Before this past season Chris Johnson was an undisputed top 2 or 3 running back in the league and had rushed for 2000 yards in a season, while Matt Forte is a nice player who hadn't made a Pro Bowl until this season. The two are not comparable. Also, Chris Johnson should be exhibit A on why you don't give running backs a big contract like Forte wants. He got his money and promptly had a pretty ordinary season. Plus, Forte is coming off a pretty serious knee injury. I wouldn't pay the guy either, franchise him this year and let him walk. Odds are he won't even play out the big contract he gets from someone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 Corey Graham to the Ravens. Baltimore just can't get enough of Bears Pro Bowl special teamers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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