iamshack Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Aug 30, 2013 -> 04:02 PM) The problem with that s***ty reasoning is that the overwhelming majority of Syrian people (or any other group of people caught in the middle of a violent struggle) are not "lunatics" who we should be happy are eliminated from the gene pool. No, they're not. But life on earth isn't fair. And making the choice to stay out of it doesn't mean we don't value them, as much as you might want to chastise all of us about it. Btw, you do realize how ironic it is when you behave this way, don't you? We're all th bad guys, yet you're the one calling us all names and flinging insults... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 QUOTE (iamshack @ Aug 30, 2013 -> 06:13 PM) No, they're not. But life on earth isn't fair. And making the choice to stay out of it doesn't mean we don't value them, as much as you might want to chastise all of us about it. Again, the discussion with Alpha wasn't about whether the US should intervene or not. If you'll notice, neither Balta nor I are supportive of military intervention in this thread. It was about his literal statement that he thinks the life of a Syrian is less valuable than the life of an American, and that people should intervene in humanitarian crises based on religion and skin color. Did Balta or I say NSS was racist for being against intervention? Or duke? Or ourselves? No, it was only the guy who came in and said he values human lives differently based on nationality, skin color and religion. Btw, you do realize how ironic it is when you behave this way, don't you? We're all th bad guys, yet you're the one calling us all names and flinging insults... There's nothing ironic about insulting racists and bigots. I don't think you're a racist or bigot, but Alpha pretty explicitly came out as one in this thread. I do think your reasoning in the above post was pretty s***ty, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeNukeEm Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 Yeah I don't really value them at all. I guess biologically they are human beings but they aren't really people they way we think of people here in the civilized world. They're mostly just savages who enjoy killing each other almost as much as they enjoy killing people from the civilized parts of this planet. I'd rather we not indulge them in the opportunity, let them slaughter each other because anything else would be keeping them from doing what they love. In the West we generally aren't like this, sure we have bad elements but we don't just have all out war in the streets for fun. We have values other than violence. They don't, and we cannot fathom why but we assume they want the same things we do. But they aren't the same as us, they want to kill each other. Let them. I'm not appalled, shocked or outraged chemical weapons were used (I actually predicted it in this thread). I expect this from savages, and while I think its an awful way of life (or more accurately: death) I don't hate them for being what they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Aug 30, 2013 -> 04:41 PM) Again, the discussion with Alpha wasn't about whether the US should intervene or not. If you'll notice, neither Balta nor I are supportive of military intervention in this thread. It was about his literal statement that he thinks the life of a Syrian is less valuable than the life of an American, and that people should intervene in humanitarian crises based on religion and skin color. Did Balta or I say NSS was racist for being against intervention? Or duke? Or ourselves? No, it was only the guy who came in and said he values human lives differently based on nationality, skin color and religion. There's nothing ironic about insulting racists and bigots. I don't think you're a racist or bigot, but Alpha pretty explicitly came out as one in this thread. I do think your reasoning in the above post was pretty s***ty, though. Yeah, there is no way one could possibly miss that, we get your point. Move forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_genius Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Aug 30, 2013 -> 03:28 PM) There is a certain irony that people dont want to intervene because its "not our problem". Well isnt that creating an inherent difference between us and them? If it happened in Ohio is it our problem? Chicago? Your backyard? People are people, I dont want my govt using chemical weapons on me, I dont want it to ever by "my problem" as some of you would so eloquently state. But its "our" problem, because we are all humans, and fortunately or unfortunately, we all hold each others fates in our own hands. to me, your world view is exceptionally ignorant. a U.S. bombing strike does not accomplish anything when you consider all variables. Edited August 31, 2013 by mr_genius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Aug 30, 2013 -> 06:41 PM) Again, the discussion with Alpha wasn't about whether the US should intervene or not. If you'll notice, neither Balta nor I are supportive of military intervention in this thread. It was about his literal statement that he thinks the life of a Syrian is less valuable than the life of an American, and that people should intervene in humanitarian crises based on religion and skin color. Did Balta or I say NSS was racist for being against intervention? Or duke? Or ourselves? No, it was only the guy who came in and said he values human lives differently based on nationality, skin color and religion. There's nothing ironic about insulting racists and bigots. I don't think you're a racist or bigot, but Alpha pretty explicitly came out as one in this thread. I do think your reasoning in the above post was pretty s***ty, though. this post is the perfect microcosm of why there is never any real good discussion about race here on this board, or in this country. Then again the irony is that pretty much everyone is for not intervening because it isn't us, which is exactly what Alpha was saying, only he just didn't say it in the OK coded words that society deems as acceptable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeNukeEm Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 your world view is exceptionally ignorant. a U.S. bombing strike does not accomplish anything when you consider all variables. He feels better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilMonkey Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 30, 2013 -> 08:01 PM) this post is the perfect microcosm of why there is never any real good discussion about race here on this board, or in this country. Then again the irony is that pretty much everyone is for not intervening because it isn't us, which is exactly what Alpha was saying, only he just didn't say it in the OK coded words that society deems as acceptable. The completely gloss over the first difference I mentioned, someone that is actually closer to the action than we are. Focus on the racial tones of the other descriptors I used, even though they are true. They ARE different from us, They have a mostly different religion that us (and what few Christians there are there are being slaughtered in the name of Allah) and they tend to have a different skin tone than us. Their whole value system is different than ours, the degradation of women, sanctioned killing in the name of God, death to gays and so on. They are nothign like me, or most Americans. I want nothing to do with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Aug 30, 2013 -> 09:35 PM) The completely gloss over the first difference I mentioned, someone that is actually closer to the action than we are. Focus on the racial tones of the other descriptors I used, even though they are true. They ARE different from us, They have a mostly different religion that us (and what few Christians there are there are being slaughtered in the name of Allah) and they tend to have a different skin tone than us. Their whole value system is different than ours, the degradation of women, sanctioned killing in the name of God, death to gays and so on. They are nothign like me, or most Americans. I want nothing to do with them. I'm not gonna argue that this isn't true, but I do want to say that this isn't that far from the opinion of some Americans and I doubt it an opinion of all Syrians and it's not fair to paint them all with a broad brush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Aug 30, 2013 -> 07:30 PM) Yeah I don't really value them at all. I guess biologically they are human beings but they aren't really people they way we think of people here in the civilized world. That's because you're a disgusting racist and a bigot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 QUOTE (iamshack @ Aug 30, 2013 -> 07:46 PM) Yeah, there is no way one could possibly miss that, we get your point. Move forward. Sure, as soon as a bunch of soxtalk posters stop posting explicitly racist things and have several others rushing to defend explicit racism, we can drop this subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 30, 2013 -> 08:01 PM) this post is the perfect microcosm of why there is never any real good discussion about race here on this board, or in this country. Yes, it is. Someone literally says they value other people less as human beings because of their nationality, religion and skin color, and others rush to defend it and say it's not really racist. That's pretty f***ed up. Then again the irony is that pretty much everyone is for not intervening because it isn't us, which is exactly what Alpha was saying, only he just didn't say it in the OK coded words that society deems as acceptable. There's no "irony" here, and no, not "everyone is for not intervening because it isn't us." Please, present your case for making this claim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Aug 30, 2013 -> 09:35 PM) The completely gloss over the first difference I mentioned, someone that is actually closer to the action than we are. Focus on the racial tones of the other descriptors I used, even though they are true. They ARE different from us, They have a mostly different religion that us (and what few Christians there are there are being slaughtered in the name of Allah) and they tend to have a different skin tone than us. Their whole value system is different than ours, the degradation of women, sanctioned killing in the name of God, death to gays and so on. They are nothign like me, or most Americans. I want nothing to do with them. Yeah, thanks for restating your ignorant, bigoted views! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 Honestly, I never thought I'd see this level of explicit racism and bigotry not just posted on soxtalk but defended by multiple other posters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 Look at these "I guess they're biological" humans who all just love killing, bunch of brown muslim lunatics, clearly not nearly as worthy as human beings as good, white americans! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Aug 30, 2013 -> 10:04 PM) Honestly, I never thought I'd see this level of explicit racism and bigotry not just posted on soxtalk but defended by multiple other posters. I see it almost every day by you. You just never see it that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 Those pictures make me cry. The one of the little kid looking at his hands. I'm sure the kid died. I mean what the f*** is wrong with HUMANITY!!!! That kid's life lasted 2-3 years and ends at the hands of CHEMICAL WEAPONS???? f***. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Aug 30, 2013 -> 08:25 PM) Look at these "I guess they're biological" humans who all just love killing, bunch of brown muslim lunatics, clearly not nearly as worthy as human beings as good, white americans! It has nothing to do with valuing them less than Americans. It has everything to do with numbers and resources. What would you have us do, SS? Get pulled into each and every one of these conflicts until we're all in the same boat as well? Do you ever get to draw the line somewhere? Or as long as there is a human being suffering on this planet, are you going to post photos of them and insist we intervene? And honestly, tone down the f***ing dramatics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Aug 30, 2013 -> 08:04 PM) Honestly, I never thought I'd see this level of explicit racism and bigotry not just posted on soxtalk but defended by multiple other posters. Yes, I think they get it. It's called free speech. You don't have to agree with it, and you don't have to try and change their minds. And it shouldn't lead to constant insults, either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 The President has asked Congress to vote on authorizing a response. Yay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 31, 2013 -> 01:03 PM) The President has asked Congress to vote on authorizing a response. Yay. This is nice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 Joseph Weisenthal @TheStalwart YESTERDAY'S CW: Imperial President refusing to consult Congress. TODAY'S CW: Weak President playing politics, making US look weak to world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 The President has asked Congress to vote on authorizing a response. Yay. No now what do congressional Democrats do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Aug 31, 2013 -> 01:39 PM) No now what do congressional Democrats do? They'll be split, as will Republicans. The question is how the splits go. There is the possibility for a very, very productive debate and the issues are not so overtly partisan that we might get a good, honest answer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 QUOTE (Jake @ Aug 31, 2013 -> 01:45 PM) They'll be split, as will Republicans. The question is how the splits go. There is the possibility for a very, very productive debate and the issues are not so overtly partisan that we might get a good, honest answer I feel like there is very little, if any, partisan debate here. I've seen both Republicans and Democrats calling for a precision strike and Republicans and Democrats both saying we need to stay the hell out. Because of that, this may be the most useful this congress have ever been because they won't get tied up in partisan bulls***. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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