southsider2k5 Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 So now that these two pieces are in place, who has the better NFL career. This way we can go back in five years and see who really was right! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 man, this is going to be a complicated discussion. Luck is a pure passer, RG3 can pass and run. Sort of similar to the Vick and Manning draft, Manning came out on top due to the Superbowls, but Vick has always had the hype and the glamor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daa84 Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Mar 10, 2012 -> 11:12 AM) man, this is going to be a complicated discussion. Luck is a pure passer, RG3 can pass and run. Sort of similar to the Vick and Manning draft, Manning came out on top due to the Superbowls, but Vick has always had the hype and the glamor. neither manning was in the same draft as vick i said luck (as most will seeing as how he is essentially the consensus #1 pick), but if the question is luck, griffin, or the field then i should have said field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Mar 10, 2012 -> 08:12 AM) man, this is going to be a complicated discussion. Luck is a pure passer, RG3 can pass and run. Sort of similar to the Vick and Manning draft, Manning came out on top due to the Superbowls, but Vick has always had the hype and the glamor. Peyton was in the same draft as Ryan Leaf(who went #2). Not sure the other QB's in Vick's draft off the top of my head and I believe Eli was with Rivers (who the Chargers got in the trade, along with other picks), Cutler, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daa84 Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Mar 10, 2012 -> 11:32 AM) Peyton was in the same draft as Ryan Leaf(who went #2). Not sure the other QB's in Vick's draft off the top of my head and I believe Eli was with Rivers (who the Chargers got in the trade, along with other picks), Cutler, etc. iirc brees was the other qb in the vick draft eli was in there with rivers and big ben cutler was in a different draft with leinart and young Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 damn I was up too early and out too late to be making any sort of sane thoughts. jesus Vick and Brees Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Mar 10, 2012 -> 11:32 AM) Peyton was in the same draft as Ryan Leaf(who went #2). Not sure the other QB's in Vick's draft off the top of my head and I believe Eli was with Rivers (who the Chargers got in the trade, along with other picks), Cutler, etc. Easy to confuse them, because the Chargers also had the #1 pick the year Vick was there but traded that pick to Atlanta for the #5 pick and a 3rd rounder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 QUOTE (daa84 @ Mar 10, 2012 -> 08:33 AM) iirc brees was the other qb in the vick draft eli was in there with rivers and big ben cutler was in a different draft with leinart and young Brees was a 2nd round pick in Vicks year (Chargers used the 1st pick in the 2nd round to get him). Took Tomilson with the pick they got from Atlanta. Yep, my bad on Cutler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daa84 Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Mar 10, 2012 -> 11:34 AM) Easy to confuse them, because the Chargers also had the #1 pick the year Vick was there but traded that pick to Atlanta for the #5 pick and a 3rd rounder. wow...put that in perspective with what the Rams just did.... #1 pick for #5 pick and a 3rd rounder vs. #2 pick for #6 pick, two more 1st rounders, 1 more second rounder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 QUOTE (daa84 @ Mar 10, 2012 -> 08:37 AM) wow...put that in perspective with what the Rams just did.... #1 pick for #5 pick and a 3rd rounder vs. #2 pick for #6 pick, two more 1st rounders, 1 more second rounder That isn't right. They got more than a 1st pick and a 3rd rounder. I believe it was another 1st round pick as well. Or at the very least a future 2nd round pick. I'm 100% sure it was more than just a 1st and 3rd. Edit: Yep, 1st, 2nd (2012), and 3rd rounders, and Tim Dwight (Univ of Iowa) The Falcons got the opening pick in exchange for the fifth overall pick in the first round, their third-round pick, their second-round pick in 2002 and wide receiver Tim Dwight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 QUOTE (daa84 @ Mar 10, 2012 -> 10:37 AM) wow...put that in perspective with what the Rams just did.... #1 pick for #5 pick and a 3rd rounder vs. #2 pick for #6 pick, two more 1st rounders, 1 more second rounder You also have to put it in perspective what the teams did with the picks. Brees and Tomlinson for Vick is pretty awesome. The Broncos got what with the picks for Cutler? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daa84 Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Mar 10, 2012 -> 11:38 AM) That isn't right. They got more than a 1st pick and a 3rd rounder. I believe it was another 1st round pick as well. Or at the very least a future 2nd round pick. I'm 100% sure it was more than just a 1st and 3rd. Edit: Yep, 1st, 2nd (2012), and 3rd rounders, and Tim Dwight (Univ of Iowa) The Falcons got the opening pick in exchange for the fifth overall pick in the first round, their third-round pick, their second-round pick in 2002 and wide receiver Tim Dwight. that makes more sense, but still.... in both trades the teams jumped 4 spots (from 5 to 1, and 6 to 2), and the redskins gave up 2 1st rounders and a third, while the falcons gave up a 2nd, a 3rd and receiver nobody heard of Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Mar 10, 2012 -> 08:40 AM) You also have to put it in perspective what the teams did with the picks. Brees and Tomlinson for Vick is pretty awesome. The Broncos got what with the picks for Cutler? Technically Brees was selected with the Chargers pick (not the Falcons). The Chargers actually got, Tomilson, Tay Cody, and Reche Caldwell. Technically they did well because Tomilson was a beast and they still got their QB in Brees with another pick, but the other guys the Chargers got didn't exactly light it up. A better haul was the Chargers trade of Eli Manning, where they got Rivers, Nate Kaeding, and Shawne Merriman (1st round the following year). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 QUOTE (daa84 @ Mar 10, 2012 -> 10:42 AM) that makes more sense, but still.... in both trades the teams jumped 4 spots (from 5 to 1, and 6 to 2), and the redskins gave up 2 1st rounders and a third, while the falcons gave up a 2nd, a 3rd and receiver nobody heard of What is the value of the picks though. Brees was the first pick of the second round, that is still a pretty high value pick, no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 QUOTE (daa84 @ Mar 10, 2012 -> 08:42 AM) that makes more sense, but still.... in both trades the teams jumped 4 spots (from 5 to 1, and 6 to 2), and the redskins gave up 2 1st rounders and a third, while the falcons gave up a 2nd, a 3rd and receiver nobody heard of When they traded their pick for the 4th pick with the Giants (Eli deal). Chargers got another #1 and a 3rd. I'd argue that the difference in the Redskins deal is that now, these top picks aren't as expensive, so the price (in terms of picks) has increased if you want a guy like this because your franchise is less crippled if your top pick busts. In the past, if your top pick busted, you were screwed cause you had invested 50M bucks in them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Mar 10, 2012 -> 10:45 AM) Technically Brees was selected with the Chargers pick (not the Falcons). The Chargers actually got, Tomilson, Tay Cody, and Reche Caldwell. Technically they did well because Tomilson was a beast and they still got their QB in Brees with another pick, but the other guys the Chargers got didn't exactly light it up. A better haul was the Chargers trade of Eli Manning, where they got Rivers, Nate Kaeding, and Shawne Merriman (1st round the following year). Ah, didnt know that. thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daa84 Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Mar 10, 2012 -> 11:47 AM) When they traded their pick for the 4th pick with the Giants (Eli deal). Chargers got another #1 and a 3rd. I'd argue that the difference in the Redskins deal is that now, these top picks aren't as expensive, so the price (in terms of picks) has increased if you want a guy like this because your franchise is less crippled if your top pick busts. In the past, if your top pick busted, you were screwed cause you had invested 50M bucks in them. no doubt about it this played a huge part in it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 Andrew Luck will be on the Brady, Rodgers, Brees level in a few years. He'll be a hall of famer. I like RG trey but he's not on Luck's level imo. And yes Luck is a great pure passer but he's not a statur like Brady or Peyton, he's a great runner as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeNukeEm Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 Luck busts Manning wins another Super Bowl with the Not-Colts RGIII has a terrific career. You heard it here, folks. Too good of a story to pass up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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