East Region

[WilliamTell]

The fix is in. I can't believe this.

[ZoomSlowik]

I feel like they gave the ball to Syracuse rather than calling a foul on that out of bounds play.

[Rex Hudler]

Well that was just a really terrible call.

 

Yep should have been a foul. No way UNCA should have gotten the ball in that situation. Not sure why he didn't call the foul. Unfortunately two wrongs do make a right in this situation.

 

Second nomination for dumbest thing said by a CBS annoucer - "There is no way all three officials could miss that". Sure there is! All three officials are not looking at the same place at the same time.

[lord chas]

refs are from syracuse

[Soxbadger]

Yeah replays have been screwing up that "dont call a foul give it to the team" play. On replay its so clear that its out on 1 team, but you cant call the foul off replay, so its starting to become a mess.

[Rex Hudler]

The out of bounds call was incorrect, but didn't screw UNCA. The correct call should have been a foul, which would have kept the ball in Syracuse's hands anyway.

 

The lane violation was correct. Here is the rule.

 

Players not in a legal marked lane space shall remain behind the freethrow

line extended and behind the three-point field-goal line until

the ball strikes the ring, flange or backboard, or until the free throw

ends.

 

If you had announcers that knew the college game and understood the rule this wouldn't have been a question. The replay they kept showing didn't even show the three point line.

[Heads22]

The out of bounds call was incorrect, but didn't screw UNCA. The correct call should have been a foul, which would have kept the ball in Syracuse's hands anyway.

 

The lane violation was correct. Here is the rule.

 

Players not in a legal marked lane space shall remain behind the freethrow

line extended and behind the three-point field-goal line until

the ball strikes the ring, flange or backboard, or until the free throw

ends.

 

If you had announcers that knew the college game and understood the rule this wouldn't have been a question. The replay they kept showing didn't even show the three point line.

 

Even if the right team ended up with the ball, that's not how you fix it and it's sure as hell not gonna fly for an explanation.

[Jenksismyhero]

We're either talking about two entirely different things or you are smoking a good batch today. Either way, without seeing your reading list, I'll choose not to engage further because that made zero sense to me.

 

I'm responding to this comment you made:

 

But you'll never convince me that referees change the way they call fouls just to keep games interesting.

 

Refs do this in just about every game, especially in basketball. There's a foul probably every trip down the court, but to keep a game "interesting" and to keep a flow, they let certain things go. They call the game either super strict (if it's getting out of hand) or super light (if the teams aren't being physical and are just running up and down the court).

 

Tim Donaghy was the most recent example I can think of off hand. He did a great job last year for the Finals explaining EXACTLY how refs go about doing this: http://deadspin.com/5807464/tim-donaghy-on...eries/gallery/1

 

I'm not saying it's good or bad (it's probably for the better since you don't want to watch the game stopped every 20 seconds), but it absolutely happens. And yes, it probably happens more in the NBA than in the NCAA's, but I still think it happens.

[Rex Hudler]

Even if the right team ended up with the ball, that's not how you fix it and it's sure as hell not gonna fly for an explanation.

 

It doesn't need to. They screwed up twice on the same play. The same people that are going to b**** about the out of bounds being missed can't defend that they should have had a foul call in the first place. There were in essense two decisions to be made on the play and both were incorrect. It was a bad call for BOTH sides. It just happened that it turned out the most fair way, despite how it was botched.

 

So you can't argue that it screwed UNCA and then ignore that a foul should have been called.

Edited March 15, 2012 by Rex Hudler

[Rex Hudler]

I'm responding to this comment you made:

 

 

 

Refs do this in just about every game, especially in basketball. There's a foul probably every trip down the court, but to keep a game "interesting" and to keep a flow, they let certain things go. They call the game either super strict (if it's getting out of hand) or super light (if the teams aren't being physical and are just running up and down the court).

 

Tim Donaghy was the most recent example I can think of off hand. He did a great job last year for the Finals explaining EXACTLY how refs go about doing this: http://deadspin.com/5807464/tim-donaghy-on...eries/gallery/1

 

I'm not saying it's good or bad (it's probably for the better since you don't want to watch the game stopped every 20 seconds), but it absolutely happens. And yes, it probably happens more in the NBA than in the NCAA's, but I still think it happens.

 

Quote the one referee sent to prison. That'll help your argument.

 

If you read my posts, I stated that calls change due to the flow of the game. The flow changes constantly. It's a natural progression that happens but is in no way done to "make the game interesting" or try to affect the outcome or final score of a game.

 

You'll either have to trust me or get yourself a striped jersey or a chest protector and live it for yourself. Fans tend to be conspiracy theorists, but my experience is that 90% of the time they are wrong. When I was umpiring, I knew if I blew a call before anyone else did. And it sucked. I hated it. But I guarantee you I wasn't going to make a 2nd wrong call to make up for it. I had too much pride in the job I did to make another bad call. You make one, you move on. Period. I do encourage you to try officiating and take a little pride in it. You'll see the game much differently. Yes, you'll see bad calls because they exist. But you'll still see it differently, I assure you.

[Soxbadger]

I reffed when I was younger, but unlike you I couldnt stop myself from make up calls and getting emotionally involved.

 

Thus I decided Im not a good ref.

[Rex Hudler]

The lane violation was a good call. When you are behind the shooter, you can't cross the foul line until the ball hits the rim.

 

You beat me to it. I had to look up the rule. I wasn't sure because it was pretty apparent the announcers didn't know and were speaking out of their asses, especially when they kept showing the replay which didn't even show him crossing the 3-pt line.

[danman31]

The foul was pretty iffy. They were about 50-50 in regards to position. Just because the Syracuse guy reached over the back of the Asheville player and got hip checked doesn't mean he had position. It was at least a close call. The out of bounds wasn't.

[Rex Hudler]

I reffed when I was younger, but unlike you I couldnt stop myself from make up calls and getting emotionally involved.

 

Thus I decided Im not a good ref.

 

LOL That's pretty damned honest! I do believe the subconscious can affect how games are called. The emotion of the game can't help but affect you in some way. But I do know that after games, hopefully over a beer, the first thing we did is discuss calls and what we may or may not have missed. We always wanted to get better. I just never ran across an official that made decisions that would overtly affect the outcome unless he felt they were right at that split second. I ran across some that were pretty incompetent, however. The higher level I got to, the less chance there was that would happen. But there are some officials, whether it was their personality or inability to understand the flow of a game, you just knew there were going to be arguments as soon as you got to the ballpark and saw he was your partner.

Edited March 15, 2012 by Rex Hudler

[Rex Hudler]

The foul was pretty iffy. They were about 50-50 in regards to position. Just because the Syracuse guy reached over the back of the Asheville player and got hip checked doesn't mean he had position. It was at least a close call. The out of bounds wasn't.

 

The Syracuse player leapt for the ball and got hip-checked. I disagree that it was iffy. Trust me, i'd have loved for Syracuse to go down as much as anyone. UNCA lost because their best shooter wasn't today.

Edited March 15, 2012 by Rex Hudler

[IlliniKrush]

Quote the one referee sent to prison. That'll help your argument.

 

If you read my posts, I stated that calls change due to the flow of the game. The flow changes constantly. It's a natural progression that happens but is in no way done to "make the game interesting" or try to affect the outcome or final score of a game.

 

You'll either have to trust me or get yourself a striped jersey or a chest protector and live it for yourself. Fans tend to be conspiracy theorists, but my experience is that 90% of the time they are wrong. When I was umpiring, I knew if I blew a call before anyone else did. And it sucked. I hated it. But I guarantee you I wasn't going to make a 2nd wrong call to make up for it. I had too much pride in the job I did to make another bad call. You make one, you move on. Period. I do encourage you to try officiating and take a little pride in it. You'll see the game much differently. Yes, you'll see bad calls because they exist. But you'll still see it differently, I assure you.

Right on. Especially about missing a call/not making it up. That is how it works. Until you umpire/referee a lot, and at a high level (HS or above), you just don't understand the mindset.

 

 

[Soxbadger]

From a Vandy site:

 

As VandySports.com's Jesse Johnson points out on his Twitter account, the Commodores are 10-2 in the NCAA Tournament when scoring 70 or more points; they are 0-11 when failing to do so.

 

Sounds like Wisconsin is going to want to slow down the game.

[YASNY]

Somebody needs to tell Texas that the game has started.

[YASNY]

I think Texas eventually got the message, after about the worst 12 minutes of basketball in tourney history.

[NorthSideSox72]

I think Texas eventually got the message, after about the worst 12 minutes of basketball in tourney history.

Yeah no kidding, they are now within 3 points. 5:11 left to play.

 

[southsider2k5]

Texas had nothing left after they tied it up. Nice rally though.

[cabiness42]

I am 0-for-BigEast/Big12 matchups

[Heads22]

I am 0-for-BigEast/Big12 matchups

 

We play decent basketball in the Big 12.

[cabiness42]

We play decent basketball in the Big 12.

 

Right, but part of that 0-fer was picking Texas to beat Cinci and the other part was picking UConn to beat ISU.

[NorthSideSox72]

Bonnies up 6 at the half on FSU.