witesoxfan Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Nov 19, 2013 -> 03:50 PM) Lots of people have said this because this country has a substantial amount of racist s***heads in it. That's why I added the "rational" qualifier to it. I don't consider racist s***heads to be rational. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pettie4sox Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 Zimmerman is such a numbskull. He really wants to die it seems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Nov 20, 2013 -> 12:59 PM) Zimmerman is such a numbskull. He really wants to die it seems. I know how he can protect himself. More guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pettie4sox Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 20, 2013 -> 02:00 PM) I know how he can protect himself. More guns. Live by the sword, die by the sword. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Nov 20, 2013 -> 04:34 PM) Live by the sword, die by the sword. "Live near the guy who lives by the sword, also die by the sword." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pettie4sox Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 20, 2013 -> 03:48 PM) "Live near the guy who lives by the sword, also die by the sword." Hyperbole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Nov 20, 2013 -> 04:59 PM) Hyperbole. Because Trayvon Martin is still alive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pettie4sox Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 20, 2013 -> 04:30 PM) Because Trayvon Martin is still alive? There are many more victims of gun crime because people use the tool with malicious intent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 The use of guns ended slavery, put an end to the Nazis and a host of other good things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 QUOTE (Tex @ Nov 22, 2013 -> 02:05 PM) The use of guns ended slavery, put an end to the Nazis and a host of other good things. If you want to do this, the use of guns also killed a couple million of the murdered jews of Europe, massacred people in the balkans, killed millions in places like Cambodia, and took out John Kennedy for good measure. They've done a whole host of bad things also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 22, 2013 -> 01:24 PM) If you want to do this, the use of guns also killed a couple million of the murdered jews of Europe, massacred people in the balkans, killed millions in places like Cambodia, and took out John Kennedy for good measure. They've done a whole host of bad things also. So did knives and swords in Rome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Nov 22, 2013 -> 02:30 PM) Water has drowned a ton of people. And amazingly, kept a lot of people alive too! See why this is a silly game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 If you breathe enough oxygen over several years, you will eventually die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Nov 22, 2013 -> 01:30 PM) Water has drowned a ton of people. Drain the oceans!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 None of this matters. Eventually, everything leads to cancer, just check WebMD if you don't believe me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 QUOTE (Y2HH @ Nov 22, 2013 -> 02:47 PM) None of this matters. Eventually, everything leads to cancer, just check WebMD if you don't believe me. Except guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 QUOTE (Tex @ Nov 22, 2013 -> 01:05 PM) The use of guns ended slavery, put an end to the Nazis and a host of other good things. Guns did none of those things. People did them. Guns dont kill people, people kill people. Guns dont save people, people save people. You dont need a gun to be a hero, you dont need a gun to fight Nazis or slave owners. The pen is mightier than the sword. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Nov 22, 2013 -> 02:10 PM) Guns did none of those things. People did them. Guns dont kill people, people kill people. Guns dont save people, people save people. You dont need a gun to be a hero, you dont need a gun to fight Nazis or slave owners. The pen is mightier than the sword. If you were transported back to WW2 and forced to face Nazi's without a gun, I'm pretty sure you'd be dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 QUOTE (Y2HH @ Nov 22, 2013 -> 02:17 PM) If you were transported back to WW2 and forced to face Nazi's without a gun, I'm pretty sure you'd be dead. Many Jews survived the holocaust with out a gun. Yeah that is right, they survived Auschwitz, Buchenwald, without guns. They survived in the Ghettos of Poland, without guns. So there is no correlation between having a gun and surviving as a Jew in the holocaust. And the best way to have beaten the Nazis was with words, not guns. Had the world stood up to Hitler, had they not appeased him, had the people of Germany said "no" to his ideas, guns would not have been necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Nov 22, 2013 -> 02:39 PM) Many Jews survived the holocaust with out a gun. Yeah that is right, they survived Auschwitz, Buchenwald, without guns. They survived in the Ghettos of Poland, without guns. So there is no correlation between having a gun and surviving as a Jew in the holocaust. And the best way to have beaten the Nazis was with words, not guns. Had the world stood up to Hitler, had they not appeased him, had the people of Germany said "no" to his ideas, guns would not have been necessary. There was a sizeable portion of the German population that DIDN'T want Hitler or the Nazi's or the direction they were taking the country and they DID say no. And Hitler beat them up and/or killed them. Words are worthless when the side you're up against has guns. Edited November 22, 2013 by Jenksismybitch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 What would have happened had you tried to use words against Stalin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Nov 22, 2013 -> 03:11 PM) What would have happened had you tried to use words against Stalin? I hear Siberia is nice this time of year Comrade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Nov 22, 2013 -> 03:11 PM) What would have happened had you tried to use words against Stalin? I'm sure he would have totally changed his actions! But only if you asked nicely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 I also want to clarify the causation of the Jews surviving the Holocaust and such. They didn't survive BECAUSE they didn't have guns. They survived DESPITE not having guns. If you one day those hungry, starving, naked Jews didn't have guns, and the next they just suddenly did have guns, what do you think would happen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Nov 22, 2013 -> 03:05 PM) There was a sizeable portion of the German population that DIDN'T want Hitler or the Nazi's or the direction they were taking the country and they DID say no. And Hitler beat them up and/or killed them. Words are worthless when the side you're up against has guns. QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Nov 22, 2013 -> 03:17 PM) I also want to clarify the causation of the Jews surviving the Holocaust and such. They didn't survive BECAUSE they didn't have guns. They survived DESPITE not having guns. If you one day those hungry, starving, naked Jews didn't have guns, and the next they just suddenly did have guns, what do you think would happen? Wite and Jenks, Im not sure you guys actually know what happened. I am related to holocaust survivors. I actually knew people who were in Germany under Hitler. I actually knew people who survived the holocaust. It wasnt about guns. They were killed because of ideas, because of manipulation. The triumph of the Nazis is actually the ultimate proof that the pen is mightier than the sword. Hitler started off as a criminal. He was jailed and he wrote Mein Kampf. It was his idea "blame the Jews" that was powerful. It wasnt his gun. He had no military or army to start, the German people willingly gave him that power. If guns were mightier than the sword, there would be no Hitler. Under the Wiemar Republic, Hitler's position "Chancellor" had almost no power, President was far more powerful. Hitler used legislature to change the law to give him extreme power as chancellor. Thus Hitler is the prime example of the pen being mightier than the sword. To start Hitler did not have guns, he only had ideas. His ideas triumphed over the guns of Hidenburg and Ernst Rohm. Because Im sure as you are both aware, Hidenburg had the military support and despised Hitler. Unfortunately the people of Germany voted for Hitlers "ideas" and ideas beat guns, as they always do. Herr Hitler declared that, for reasons which he had explained in detail to the Reich President that morning, his taking any part in cooperation with the existing government was out of the question. Considering the importance of the National Socialist movement, he must demand the full and complete leadership of the government and state for himself and his party. The Reich President in reply said firmly that he must answer this demand with a clear, unyielding "No". He could not justify before God, before his conscience, or before the Fatherland the transfer of the whole authority of government to a single party, especially to a party that was biased against people who had different views from their own. There were a number of other reasons against it, upon which he did not wish to enlarge in detail, such as fear of increased unrest, the effect on foreign countries, etc. Herr Hitler repeated that any other solution was unacceptable to him. To this the Reich President replied: "So you will go into opposition?" Hitler: "I have now no alternative" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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