Trayvon Martin

[Steve9347]

What's truly unfortunate is the 5 minutes I just spent reading facebook comments on an NBC 5 update. Good God, there are some truly stupid people out there.

 

As fort his case - clearly Zimmerman deserved jail time - but you can only convict on the charges chased if there's proof beyond a reasonable doubt. Honestly, I'd rather have this than what happened with Drew Peterson where they convicted him with no evidence.

[StrangeSox]

What's truly unfortunate is the 5 minutes I just spent reading facebook comments on an NBC 5 update. Good God, there are some truly stupid people out there.

this is universally true

[Soxfest]

Verdict is in NAACP needs to accept it.

[lostfan]

If you read the comments on an article hopefully you saw why I made the post I made on the previous page. Most of time people know when they want to say something racist in public they need a fig leaf or some kind of plausible deniability along with it, but here, for whatever reason a lot of people just decided to ditch that entirely and say overtly racist things. I actually prefer it that way.

[BigSqwert]

Verdict is in NAACP needs to accept it.

 

WTF is the point of this post?

[Jordan4life_2007]

WTF is the point of this post?

 

I'm tellin' you, dude. He's a bot. He's not a real person.

[Soxfest]

WTF is the point of this post?

The NAACP wants a civil case brought on by the DOJ not my fault you have no clue about it.

Edited July 14, 2013 by Soxfest

[BigSqwert]

The NAACP wants a civil case brought on by the DOJ not my fault you have no clue about it.

 

Oh I see. In this particular case, black people shouldn't be allowed to use the legal system entitled to others. They need to just get over it. Thanks for the head's up and advice.

[lostfan]

The NAACP wants a civil case brought on by the DOJ not my fault you have no clue about it.

They don't "need" to accept anything if they don't want to, lol at that condescending nonsense. I wonder if there were people who said that after the Emmett Till verdict

[lostfan]

Oh I see. In this particular case, black people shouldn't be allowed to use the legal system entitled to others. They need to just get over it. Thanks for the head's up and advice.

Marissa Alexander should accept her 20-year prison sentence for not killing anyone while defending herself and we should get over it, because that was the verdict

[Soxfest]

I'm tellin' you, dude. He's a bot. He's not a real person.

Did you cut and paste from last time you used this dumbass line. WTF!

[BigSqwert]

Where's the NRA saying we should arm all black youth to protect themselves, like they suggested for schools?

[Jordan4life_2007]

lol@the Stevie Johnson tweet.

 

STVN@StevieJohnson13

 

Damn, Plaxico Burress shot HIMSELF and got 2 yrs! This dude shot and killed another. Yet, he's going home to his sleep number mattress.

 

Botched some spelling. But this was pretty funny and epically pathetic at the same time.

[lostfan]

I don't like it when people bring up Burress or Vick, they have nothing to do with this. Different states. Different crimes. Different evidence.

[Jordan4life_2007]

I don't like it when people bring up Burress or Vick, they have nothing to do with this. Different states. Different crimes. Different evidence.

 

I just thought it was funny. Forget about crimes and evidence. It came down to the state this occurred in. And the fact that the only person that knows exactly what went down was murdered.

[Y2HH]

I don't like it when people bring up Burress or Vick, they have nothing to do with this. Different states. Different crimes. Different evidence.

 

People are just grasping at whatever straw, regardless of how unrelated those straws may be, as long as they support the outcome they had wanted. Confirmation bias at its best/worst in this case, depending on how you want to look at it.

 

Here is how I look at it, as a person that doesn't really know anything about Martin or Zimmerman other than what the media told me about them, it's sad. The entire thing, from how one was basically convicted by the media before any real evidence existed, to the fact that a teenager died, to laws that allow such things to occur. This case brought out the worst in people, including otherwise good people, including some on this website. It's all very, very sad.

 

Up until now, I haven't made any comments on the verdict, not here, not on Facebook, Twitter, or otherwise, because I know what it will do...it will spark off needless debates of hatred between the believers and the disbelievers, and ignorance will ensue. I've already witnessed this on countless FB posts and retweets. Ignorance from people that I know aren't ignorant...but are allowing emotions to cloud their otherwise logical judgement. In short, I'd rather not partake in such a conversation with people I know or like, especially when I know most of them are better than that.

Edited July 14, 2013 by Y2HH

[lostfan]

I just thought it was funny. Forget about crimes and evidence. It came down to the state this occurred in. And the fact that the only person that knows exactly what went down was murdered.

Well, if this happened in New York Zimmerman would probably be in prison, but in Florida, he didn't technically do anything wrong.

[Soxbadger]

Even though I may disagree with the law and the result, the jury did their job.

 

Its just unfortunate that many others have been convicted unjustly because they did not get the media/public support that Zimmerman did. Its very rare for an adult who kills a teenager to get that much sympathy.

 

The case is over, anyone who deals with this type of stuff knows you win some and you lose some. Hopefully no one does anything really stupid like deciding to take the law into their own hands. Kind of an ironic last statement on this case.

 

heh

 

 

[Jordan4life_2007]

Well, if this happened in New York Zimmerman would probably be in prison, but in Florida, he didn't technically do anything wrong.

 

Pretty much. Grown man stalks teenager (something he only had the balls to do because he was packing). Grown man is told over the phone not to pursue teenager but still does. Grown man initiates physical confrontation with teeanger. Grown man apparently underestimates teeanager and gets his ass kicked (again, grown man doesn't confront teenager in the first place if he's not packing). Grown man pulls out his trump card and shoots teenager. Grown man, who has everything to lose, makes up whatever bulls*** story that best serves his purpose. No witnesses. Stand your ground law. And the other party is murdered. Yeah, that's a wrap.

Edited July 14, 2013 by Jordan4life

[Balta1701]

I don't like it when people bring up Burress or Vick, they have nothing to do with this. Different states. Different crimes. Different evidence.

One of the things someone wrote on your facebook page really hit me.

 

One poster basically said "I'm the mother of a teenage son. What do I tell my son he should do to avoid this?"

 

I keep running through the options. Run? Martin did that, the response was "oh he's running", running or hiding makes him a suspect more. Approach the strange guy in the car who's following you?Crazy. Defend yourself? That just gives the guy a reason to shoot. Wait and let him do whatever he's going to do? Why on Earth do you assume this guy following you is a good guy and not out to kidnap you?

 

The only things I can come up with are don't be "suspicious", which seems kinda difficult...and carry a gun yourself.

 

[Y2HH]

One of the things someone wrote on your facebook page really hit me.

 

One poster basically said "I'm the mother of a teenage son. What do I tell my son he should do to avoid this?"

 

I keep running through the options. Run? Martin did that, the response was "oh he's running", running or hiding makes him a suspect more. Approach the strange guy in the car who's following you?Crazy. Defend yourself? That just gives the guy a reason to shoot. Wait and let him do whatever he's going to do? Why on Earth do you assume this guy following you is a good guy and not out to kidnap you?

 

The only things I can come up with are don't be "suspicious", which seems kinda difficult...and carry a gun yourself.

 

I assume you don't have kids based on this, but seriously...were you EVER a kid? Did you ever have any sort of, "what to do in an attempted kidnapping training", or "what to do when a stranger tries to give you candy" lessons? Or even, what to do if you're actively being stalked? Seriously. I figured this was something every parent put their kids through.

 

You can't control being suspicious to someone, but you CAN attract attention if some creep ass is following you. You yell, you scream, you make noise...you attract attention, you bang on a neighbors door, a strangers door, whoever has lights on, or...if you're close enough to home, you go there. If you're caught by a person like this, yes, you defend yourself and yes, that CAN lead to death. In short, you do what you have to do to get away, or find help/attract help, or defend yourself when necessary.

Edited July 14, 2013 by Y2HH

[Jake]

I assume you don't have kids based on this, but seriously...were you EVER a kid? Did you ever have any sort of, "what to do in an attempted kidnapping training", or "what to do when a stranger tries to give you candy" lessons? Or even, what to do if you're actively being stalked? Seriously. I figured this was something every parent put their kids through.

 

You can't control being suspicious to someone, but you CAN attract attention if some creep ass is following you. You yell, you scream, you make noise...you attract attention, you bang on a neighbors door, a strangers door, whoever has lights on, or...if you're close enough to home, you go there.

 

Trayvon did scream - allegedly - and the scuffle attracted a lot of attention. I'd imagine, given the way he was treated/profiled by Zimmerman, he may not have believed he'd be a welcome sight if he was banging on a stranger's door.

 

[lostfan]

I assume you don't have kids based on this, but seriously...were you EVER a kid? Did you ever have any sort of, "what to do in an attempted kidnapping training", or "what to do when a stranger tries to give you candy" lessons? Or even, what to do if you're actively being stalked? Seriously. I figured this was something every parent put their kids through.

 

You can't control being suspicious to someone, but you CAN attract attention if some creep ass is following you. You yell, you scream, you make noise...you attract attention, you bang on a neighbors door, a strangers door, whoever has lights on, or...if you're close enough to home, you go there.

I think the person Balta is referring to is a black woman, I'd have to read my comments to make sure, but in that case that strikes right at the heart of what this issue means for black people. As the parent of a black child that's really jarring. You have to recognize that you're just not seen the same as a white kid walking through a neighborhood. There's someone who's going to look at you and conclude you don't belong, even though you weren't doing anything wrong and minding your own business (that Trayvon had THC in his system at the time is completely irrelevant, that his phone had pictures of guns in it is irony). Anyway it's hard to explain this to your kids. We'd like to think things have changed, but a lot of things haven't.

[Y2HH]

I think the person Balta is referring to is a black woman, I'd have to read my comments to make sure, but in that case that strikes right at the heart of what this issue means for black people. As the parent of a black child that's really jarring. You have to recognize that you're just not seen the same as a white kid walking through a neighborhood. There's someone who's going to look at you and conclude you don't belong, even though you weren't doing anything wrong and minding your own business (that Trayvon had THC in his system at the time is completely irrelevant, that his phone had pictures of guns in it is irony). Anyway it's hard to explain this to your kids. We'd like to think things have changed, but a lot of things haven't.

 

While I can never "get that" and say that "I know you you feel", since as you know I'm a white guy, the question posed is what you can you tell your kids...well, that's a few things you can tell your kids, regardless of their skin color.

 

And you're right, a lot of things haven't changed, and I feel it will be a long time before they ever *truly* do.

 

I plan on telling my kids a lot of these same things when they're old enough, despite being white...you still have to be careful out there...something we've all heard countless times.

[Y2HH]

Trayvon did scream - allegedly - and the scuffle attracted a lot of attention. I'd imagine, given the way he was treated/profiled by Zimmerman, he may not have believed he'd be a welcome sight if he was banging on a stranger's door.

 

I thought this was a mixed race neighborhood...why would he believe that?