Trayvon Martin

[Jenksismyhero]

Wearing a hoodie is not suspicious in and of itself, which is the point. There's nothing ironic about some people who commit crimes wearing hoodies while millions who do not commit crimes also wear hoodies.

 

How many people do you see walking around with a hoodie over their head in good weather? GMAB. It's not proof of someone being a criminal or someone about to commit a crime, but its more suspicious than someone who is not wearing one.

[StrangeSox]

That is huge, because that line is what set a lot of people off about this. That really did start the whole racial profiling thing.

 

Huge in what way? There's still legitimate injustice to be upset with here, regardless of what NBC did. It doesn't suddenly change the facts of the story in any way since the full 911 tape has been available for a while now.

 

edit:

 

this wasn't what started the whole thing, this edited clip was from this Tuesday:

 

The NBC segment in question featured anchor Ron Allen and ran on the Today show on Tuesday. On Thursday, Sean Hannity and guest Brent Bozell played the NBC version of the 911 call and compared it with the unedited version.

Edited March 30, 2012 by StrangeSox

[StrangeSox]

How many people do you see walking around with a hoodie over their head in good weather? GMAB. It's not proof of someone being a criminal or someone about to commit a crime, but its more suspicious than someone who is not wearing one.

 

Wearing a hoodie is not suspicious.

[Y2HH]

lol @ Hannity aside, that is pretty awful.

 

Yea, I'm not a fan of Hannity, because he's a biased moron, but he's just pointing out something obvious here, and in this case I'm not going to shoot the messenger because of who it happens to be.

[Balta1701]

How many people do you see walking around with a hoodie over their head in good weather? GMAB. It's not proof of someone being a criminal or someone about to commit a crime, but its more suspicious than someone who is not wearing one.

I wear one almost any day that the temperature starts or finishes between 40 and 60. I also have some I wear in the winter. Love em. Have a Sox one also. (Not this one)

 

[Jenksismyhero]

Huge in what way? There's still legitimate injustice to be upset with here, regardless of what NBC did. It doesn't suddenly change the facts of the story in any way since the full 911 tape has been available for a while now.

 

It changes the entire narrative about the story. Are you seriously ignoring that? I know for me that was the first thing I thought - he called the police and basically said "hey some black kid is in my neighborhood and he's up to no good." That's not at all what happened.

 

 

[Soxbadger]

I never wear a hoodie and I dont own one.

 

When I do my criminal actions, I wear a suit. No one ever pays attention to a guy in a suit.

[Jenksismyhero]

Huge in what way? There's still legitimate injustice to be upset with here, regardless of what NBC did. It doesn't suddenly change the facts of the story in any way since the full 911 tape has been available for a while now.

 

edit:

 

this wasn't what started the whole thing, this edited clip was from this Tuesday:

 

I've seen the same edit in print then. Because again, that was my original reading of the situation.

[Jenksismyhero]

I wear one almost any day that the temperature starts or finishes between 40 and 60. I also have some I wear in the winter. Love em. Have a Sox one also. (Not this one)

 

 

And do you walk around in broad daylight, not raining, with it over your head?

[StrangeSox]

It changes the entire narrative about the story. Are you seriously ignoring that? I know for me that was the first thing I thought - he called the police and basically said "hey some black kid is in my neighborhood and he's up to no good." That's not at all what happened.

 

This edited clip aired this Tuesday on one show. This story has been going on for week.

 

It doesn't actually change anything at all.

[Balta1701]

And do you walk around in broad daylight, not raining, with it over your head?

Is it between 40 and 60 degrees? Yeah, pretty often.

[Y2HH]

This edited clip aired this Tuesday on one show. This story has been going on for week.

 

It doesn't actually change anything at all.

 

Yea I kinda disagree.

[StrangeSox]

And do you walk around in broad daylight, not raining, with it over your head?

 

But we have a pretty good counter-example on why this profiling is dumb: Trayvon Martin.

 

And besides, Trayvon put his hood up after being stalked by Zimmerman.

[Jenksismyhero]

Is it between 40 and 60 degrees? Yeah, pretty often.

 

Then I'd be suspicious of you.

[StrangeSox]

Yea I kinda disagree.

 

Well it provides Fox with something else to focus on instead of the story itself or any of the issues surrounding it, but other than that, what changes? It's one clip from the Today show this week. This story have been in the national media for a while.

[Y2HH]

Well it provides Fox with something else to focus on instead of the story itself or any of the issues surrounding it, but other than that, what changes? It's one clip from the Today show this week. This story have been in the national media for a while.

 

Until I saw/read that unedited 911 call, I looked at it like Zimmerman was profiling, this changes that. And until seeing this, every story in print also left out the dispatchers question as if they took the NBC version of the 911 call and reported on that, instead of the truth.

 

Two things made Zimmerman appear to be profiling, the NBC edit, combined with something unintelligible that may have been racial. The edit lent more credence to the possible racial slur...

[StrangeSox]

Until I saw/read that unedited 911 call, I looked at it like Zimmerman was profiling, this changes that. And until seeing this, every story in print also left out the dispatchers question as if they took the NBC version of the 911 call and reported on that, instead of the truth.

 

Two things made Zimmerman appear to be profiling, the NBC edit, combined with something unintelligible that may have been racial. The edit lent more credence to the possible racial slur...

 

The unedited call has been available for quite a while. As far as I know, other networks have not aired similarly edited versions. I've also not seen it edited that way in print, but that doesn't mean it isn't out there.

 

I still don't see how one deceptively edited clip on a show weeks after the story become national is "huge" or really changes anything.

[Y2HH]

The unedited call has been available for quite a while. As far as I know, other networks have not aired similarly edited versions. I've also not seen it edited that way in print, but that doesn't mean it isn't out there.

 

I still don't see how one deceptively edited clip on a show weeks after the story become national is "huge" or really changes anything.

 

I just told you why it changes something. Maybe you should actually read what I wrote and listen to the words.

 

Zimmerman has been portrayed as a f***ing racist. Do you understand that?

 

A 911 call that most of the media latched onto, regardless of the "unedited version" being available that nobody heard or bothered listening too, made Zimmerman sound like he was racially profiling this kid. Fact is, he didn't. He was asked what color he was...and he said black. No longer does it sound like he was profiling him because of his color. You don't "get that" because you don't want too...you WANT Zimmerman to go down, and f*** the facts, right?

 

Until today, I have NOT heard nor seen anyone report on that "unedited" call. Until today all I heard was people saying he was racially profiling.

Edited March 30, 2012 by Y2HH

[StrangeSox]

Zimmerman has been portrayed as being motivated by race for several weeks now. NBC editing a clip this week did not make people portray Zimmerman as racist three weeks ago.

 

edit: if you haven't seen the unedited call available, you haven't been looking. It's been available since this story first started getting attention. Hell, here's an article from 3/17 that goes over the call:

 

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/16/2697...sset_type=audio

Edited March 30, 2012 by StrangeSox

[Jenksismyhero]

The unedited call has been available for quite a while. As far as I know, other networks have not aired similarly edited versions. I've also not seen it edited that way in print, but that doesn't mean it isn't out there.

 

I still don't see how one deceptively edited clip on a show weeks after the story become national is "huge" or really changes anything.

 

I was just looking through the google history of this whole story, and if you look back on the 8th/9th when it broke they were all tailored as if there was proof of racial profiling. It's something along the lines of "Zimmerman told the cops he saw someone suspicious." And then the next sentence is "Trayvon was a black teen." The 911 tapes could have helped him, but by then it was too late and the context of the entire story was "disgruntled racist white man kills saintly black teen for no apparent reason other than his hatred for black people....like all white people."

 

So yeah, I guess I take back what I said. It wasn't the edit of the 911 transcript, just the general reporting of the story. The NBC thing surely fueled the fire though, and there is no excuse for that.

[Y2HH]

Zimmerman has been portrayed as being motivated by race for several weeks now. NBC editing a clip this week did not make people portray Zimmerman as racist three weeks ago.

 

edit: if you haven't seen the unedited call available, you haven't been looking. It's been available since this story first started getting attention. Hell, here's an article from 3/17 that goes over the call:

 

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/16/2697...sset_type=audio

 

Several weeks?

 

The story just broke big about 7 days ago, regardless of it being a month old now. Until the story got big, which is when NBC aired their edited tape, not many people knew about this.

[Soxbadger]

The NBC thing surely fueled the fire though, and there is no excuse for that.

 

Disagree completely.

 

NBC is in the business of making money. Sensational stories get better ratings than non-sensational stories.

 

You cant trust the news, they are not in the business of reporting facts, they are in the business of making money. If you want facts, wait for the trial.

[StrangeSox]

I was just looking through the google history of this whole story, and if you look back on the 8th/9th when it broke they were all tailored as if there was proof of racial profiling. It's something along the lines of "Zimmerman told the cops he saw someone suspicious." And then the next sentence is "Trayvon was a black teen." The 911 tapes could have helped him, but by then it was too late and the context of the entire story was "disgruntled racist white man kills saintly black teen for no apparent reason other than his hatred for black people....like all white people."

 

That's a pretty dishonest interpretation of why people are upset and why they believe racism is a factor in this case.

 

The 911 tapes don't disprove that Zimmerman thought he was suspicious based partially on race at all. I'm not sure why you think that they do.

 

So yeah, I guess I take back what I said. It wasn't the edit of the 911 transcript, just the general reporting of the story. The NBC thing surely fueled the fire though, and there is no excuse for that.

I don't think a report on the Today show three days ago fueled any fire, but there's no excuse for it.

[GoodAsGould]

But we have a pretty good counter-example on why this profiling is dumb: Trayvon Martin.

 

And besides, Trayvon put his hood up after being stalked by Zimmerman.

 

That seems kind of dumb to me, with the hood on you only limit your vision more..

[StrangeSox]

Several weeks?

 

The story just broke big about 7 days ago, regardless of it being a month old now. Until the story got big, which is when NBC aired their edited tape, not many people knew about this.

 

Uh, I started this thread over a week ago, and the story was already over a week old at that point. Here's something from March 13th.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/13/t...ref=mostpopular