DukeNukeEm Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 They stave off an alien invasion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 Aliens wearing hoodies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 So I guess it would be perfectly normal to follow Zimmerman while concealing a weapon. After all, he is a suspicious character who is known to shoot unarmed children. And if for some reason he objected to you following him and made a "threatening" move, you could shoot him. I love the way the law works down there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 George Zimmerman has launched a personal website, "Therealgeorgezimmerman.com", and his lawyers have supposedly confirmed that it is his. On it, he features an image of an Ohio Black Cultural Center that was vandalized with the words "Long Live Zimmerman" and a sign saying something similar from a rally hosted by Pastor Terry Jones, the guy from the Quran burning controversy. Somehow...I feel like that's exactly what I would have expected him to post on a website right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 Site is already down. My guess it has been overwhelmed by people trying to see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Apr 9, 2012 -> 09:17 PM) Site is already down. My guess it has been overwhelmed by people trying to see it. You'll notice I didn't link directly. There's also the paypal option on there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 Yeah I wanted to see it for myself. Unfortunately my guess is he exceeded his bandwith, so hell either have to get some funds, or Ill try it on May 1st. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted April 10, 2012 Author Share Posted April 10, 2012 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 9, 2012 -> 08:02 PM) George Zimmerman has launched a personal website, "Therealgeorgezimmerman.com", and his lawyers have supposedly confirmed that it is his. On it, he features an image of an Ohio Black Cultural Center that was vandalized with the words "Long Live Zimmerman" and a sign saying something similar from a rally hosted by Pastor Terry Jones, the guy from the Quran burning controversy. Somehow...I feel like that's exactly what I would have expected him to post on a website right now. Lol jesus christ, I wonder if his lawyers are considering dropping him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_genius Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Apr 9, 2012 -> 08:22 PM) Yeah I wanted to see it for myself. Unfortunately my guess is he exceeded his bandwith, so hell either have to get some funds, or Ill try it on May 1st. i just looked at it. whoever developed it needs to update their skills, big time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 Zimmerman and Martin are larger than life and are bearing the hopes, dreams, expectations, faults, and everything else for a country. It stopped being about what happened and now the centuries of injustice, the sins of our fathers, are taking over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 QUOTE (Tex @ Apr 10, 2012 -> 11:01 AM) Zimmerman and Martin are larger than life and are bearing the hopes, dreams, expectations, faults, and everything else for a country. It stopped being about what happened and now the centuries of injustice, the sins of our fathers, are taking over. Of course Tex is right. Because blaming it on the sins of our fathers is a great way to ignore the fact that the injustices still happen regularly today, are built in to this society, and have very powerful defenders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 10, 2012 -> 10:03 AM) Of course Tex is right. Because blaming it on the sins of our fathers is a great way to ignore the fact that the injustices still happen regularly today, are built in to this society, and have very powerful defenders. I wasn't thinking necessarily the blame, but a sum pile of everything that happened before. I've heard quotes this weekend about this is a world wide problem, etc. Zimmerman has become a poster boy for every injustice and he must be punished for all of them. People want him charged not only for what he did, but for everything that happened before and is still happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted April 10, 2012 Author Share Posted April 10, 2012 QUOTE (Tex @ Apr 10, 2012 -> 10:08 AM) I wasn't thinking necessarily the blame, but a sum pile of everything that happened before. I've heard quotes this weekend about this is a world wide problem, etc. Zimmerman has become a poster boy for every injustice and he must be punished for all of them. People want him charged not only for what he did, but for everything that happened before and is still happening. FYI dismissing people using this to highlight institutional injustice as "sins of our fathers" is defending institutional injustice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Apr 10, 2012 -> 01:14 PM) FYI dismissing people using this to highlight institutional injustice as "sins of our fathers" is defending institutional injustice. I'm not dismissing the people or the instiutional injustice. I'm pointing out that Zimmerman is now the person who will pay a penalty for more than what he did. He will also pay the penalty for the instiutional injustices. In other words, he will pay a penalty beyond just what he did. He will pay the penalty for those who should have paid but got off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 QUOTE (Tex @ Apr 10, 2012 -> 02:58 PM) I'm not dismissing the people or the instiutional injustice. I'm pointing out that Zimmerman is now the person who will pay a penalty for more than what he did. He will also pay the penalty for the instiutional injustices. In other words, he will pay a penalty beyond just what he did. He will pay the penalty for those who should have paid but got off. He started a fight with a kid and wound up shooting him. It isn't farfetched to believe that this guy deserves to be in jail for first degree murder, or at the very least manslaughter. Being a social pariah for the majority of the country and a hero to the part of the country happy a black kid is off the streets (See the images on his website) seems kinda paltry compared to that, wouldn't you say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 10, 2012 -> 02:20 PM) He started a fight with a kid and wound up shooting him. It isn't farfetched to believe that this guy deserves to be in jail for first degree murder, or at the very least manslaughter. Being a social pariah for the majority of the country and a hero to the part of the country happy a black kid is off the streets (See the images on his website) seems kinda paltry compared to that, wouldn't you say? I agree. Would you agree that ultimately his punishment will be a couple notches worse because of the public outcry? If this had happened in a state where he was charged immediately, was prosecuted fairly and quickly, he may have pled to some reduced sentence, perhaps involuntary manslaughter, etc. But with the publicity and adding all of our societies burdens on him, he'll receive a harsher sentence. Perhaps it is the correct sentence and everyone else is treated too lightly. But I do believe he will be punished a few notches more than had this not blown up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 QUOTE (Tex @ Apr 10, 2012 -> 04:35 PM) I agree. Would you agree that ultimately his punishment will be a couple notches worse because of the public outcry? If this had happened in a state where he was charged immediately, was prosecuted fairly and quickly, he may have pled to some reduced sentence, perhaps involuntary manslaughter, etc. But with the publicity and adding all of our societies burdens on him, he'll receive a harsher sentence. Perhaps it is the correct sentence and everyone else is treated too lightly. But I do believe he will be punished a few notches more than had this not blown up. I'm still incredibly skeptical that there will be any punishment. However, he would have been let off the hook completely and the case would have been closed without the public outcry. Which is a damn shame in itself and something others should be punished for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 10, 2012 -> 03:42 PM) I'm still incredibly skeptical that there will be any punishment. However, he would have been let off the hook completely and the case would have been closed without the public outcry. Which is a damn shame in itself and something others should be punished for. It is getting harder to sort the facts and how the law is applying them. There seems to be so much pressure to prosecute that everyone from the locals to the feds are trying to get this guy to court. I'm not suggesting the public outcry is a bad thing. I just don't want it to pervert our system of justice. After all he is innocent until proven guilty. We seem to have found him guilty and are trying to figure out a way to convict him. It might feel right, but it isn't how our system was meant to be. I really believe he escalated this and should be held responsible. I also do not believe it was premeditated. As I've said before, two guys who feared each other meet and a terrible thing happened. One guy is dead, the other should also pay some price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 QUOTE (Tex @ Apr 10, 2012 -> 04:48 PM) It is getting harder to sort the facts and how the law is applying them. There seems to be so much pressure to prosecute that everyone from the locals to the feds are trying to get this guy to court. I'm not suggesting the public outcry is a bad thing. I just don't want it to pervert our system of justice. After all he is innocent until proven guilty. We seem to have found him guilty and are trying to figure out a way to convict him. It might feel right, but it isn't how our system was meant to be. I really believe he escalated this and should be held responsible. I also do not believe it was premeditated. As I've said before, two guys who feared each other meet and a terrible thing happened. One guy is dead, the other should also pay some price. Some would call a law that raises the threshold for charging a guy with a gun crime in a self-defense case to an obscene level, where prosecutors default towards not charging people, to be a perversion of justice. Some would also call having a 17 year old kid dead because some guy found him suspicious to be one huge perversion of justice, no matter what happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 Some would say that Balta likes to blow things way out of proportion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Apr 10, 2012 -> 03:52 PM) Some would say that Balta likes to blow things way out of proportion. Some would say SS2k5 likes to post all of Twitter directly to Soxtalk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 No one is asking that the legal system be changed, what people are asking is what is generally considered the "normal" procedure be followed. Plenty of people have been charged with crimes and then acquitted. Not many people have admitted to killing an unarmed person when they werent in their house, and gone without being charged. Ultimately, Zimmerman may very well be innocent. But that decision should be made by a jury, not by a Prosecutor who is concerned about their conviction ratio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Apr 10, 2012 -> 04:52 PM) Some would say that Balta likes to blow things way out of proportion. yes, that's fair. An unarmed kid getting gunned down isn't a big deal, and there's no reason for outrage when the person who did it walks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Apr 10, 2012 -> 04:53 PM) Ultimately, Zimmerman may very well be innocent. But that decision should be made by a jury, not by a Prosecutor who is concerned about their conviction ratio. As others ahve noted repeatedly in this thread SB, the law itself in question also raises the level of certainty that a prosecutor must have before he can bring charges. Thus, you should at the very least include the state legislature on that list somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 10, 2012 -> 03:51 PM) Some would call a law that raises the threshold for charging a guy with a gun crime in a self-defense case to an obscene level, where prosecutors default towards not charging people, to be a perversion of justice. Some would also call having a 17 year old kid dead because some guy found him suspicious to be one huge perversion of justice, no matter what happens. I agree with the idea behind what you are saying. I would not have stated it that way, but I understand what you are saying. It's a bad law. But it is the law. We should work to have it changed so this sort of thing does not happen again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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