lostfan Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Dec 5, 2012 -> 11:08 AM) Oh stop, that's not the law. Frankly... when you combine the law along with your nonchalant hand-waving of every concern, which is a pretty neat microcosm of everyone else's reaction too (just pick any 3 posts you've made in this thread as an example) then that is the logical outcome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 QUOTE (lostfan @ Dec 5, 2012 -> 06:37 PM) Frankly... when you combine the law along with your nonchalant hand-waving of every concern, which is a pretty neat microcosm of everyone else's reaction too (just pick any 3 posts you've made in this thread as an example) then that is the logical outcome Unless the "reasonable person" standard becomes "it's reasonable to assume all black people mean to do you great bodily harm," then no, that's not the law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted December 6, 2012 Author Share Posted December 6, 2012 But that's the point, that's a common perception and why race is likely a factor in both of these cases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 (edited) Expect Jackson and Sharpton to chime in: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-22...-bra-pants.html Seriously though, how is that racist? Do only black females have big boobs and big butts? Edited December 11, 2012 by Jenksismybitch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted December 11, 2012 Author Share Posted December 11, 2012 Big butts on black women are a stereotype. think of an asian impression with buck teeth--are asians the only people with buck teeth? Of course not, but it's still playing into a racial stereotype. I thought the referenced articles/quotes did a decent job of explaining what some find offensive about it. it's more of a cultural issue with racial and sexual stereotypes than "omg! she's racist!" imo. I don't expect Jackson or Sharpton to comment on this issue but I appreciate you caricaturing your own position! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Big butts on black women are a stereotype. think of an asian impression with buck teeth--are asians the only people with buck teeth? Of course not, but it's still playing into a racial stereotype. I thought the referenced articles/quotes did a decent job of explaining what some find offensive about it. it's more of a cultural issue with racial and sexual stereotypes than "omg! she's racist!" imo. I don't expect Jackson or Sharpton to comment on this issue but I appreciate you caricaturing your own position! My position is real simple: Is Serena offended by it? Yes? Then make as big a deal out of it as you want. No? Then everybody STFU and move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilMonkey Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Dec 11, 2012 -> 01:01 PM) Expect Jackson and Sharpton to chime in: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-22...-bra-pants.html Seriously though, how is that racist? Do only black females have big boobs and big butts? You will probably hear from that dumbass Whitlock on ESPN tho. He thinks everything is racist. Bill O'Reilly is racist for calling him a coward for not wanting to come on his show. He calls EVERYONE who won't come on a coward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted March 28, 2013 Author Share Posted March 28, 2013 (edited) this is essentially what I think happened in the Trayvon case: http://gawker.com/5992400/caught-on-camera...getting-beat-up Dude follows some people, gets out of his car, starts an altercation, gets his ass beat and then pulls a gun. Edited March 28, 2013 by StrangeSox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Mar 28, 2013 -> 03:34 PM) this is essentially what I think happened in the Trayvon case: http://gawker.com/5992400/caught-on-camera...getting-beat-up Dude follows some people, gets out of his car, starts an altercation, gets his ass beat and then pulls a gun. Dude was rightfully getting his ass completely beat. And you're likely right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeNukeEm Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 this is essentially what I think happened in the Trayvon case: http://gawker.com/5992400/caught-on-camera...getting-beat-up Dude follows some people, gets out of his car, starts an altercation, gets his ass beat and then pulls a gun. Those were some savage f***ing teenagers. Look, I already know what's being said here. "HAHA p**** CANT WIN A FIGHT WITHOUT A GUN", "START A FIGHT, LOSE, THEN GET UPSET ABOUT IT AND PULL A GUN?! HAHA GUN OWNERS ARE LOSERS"... but hey when wifey came out strapped the teens stopped pummeling the dude. It ended the fight, suddenly everyone turned polite (relative to what it was before, with the punching and all) and it ended with a couple black eyes* as opposed to what could've been pretty nasty injuries considering the way that guy was getting smacked around. Guns worked, not the most ideal set of circumstances but it defused the f*** out of that situation. *Yea someone discharged a round. Looks like the dude did, that was stupid and should result in charges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted March 29, 2013 Author Share Posted March 29, 2013 the "dude" also stalked a group of teenagers for 40 minutes because they cut him off and then tried to hit the driver in the face. he got his ass completely beat for it and the kids looked like they were stopping once his dumb ass was beat and thrown to the ground. then dumbass takes the gun, comes at them again, a round gets discharged. yeah, guns sure "worked" there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_genius Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Mar 28, 2013 -> 03:34 PM) this is essentially what I think happened in the Trayvon case: http://gawker.com/5992400/caught-on-camera...getting-beat-up Dude follows some people, gets out of his car, starts an altercation, gets his ass beat and then pulls a gun. that guy got what he deserved. don't start fights like that. now he's going to jail, which he should be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Mar 29, 2013 -> 11:31 AM) Those were some savage f***ing teenagers. Look, I already know what's being said here. "HAHA p**** CANT WIN A FIGHT WITHOUT A GUN", "START A FIGHT, LOSE, THEN GET UPSET ABOUT IT AND PULL A GUN?! HAHA GUN OWNERS ARE LOSERS"... but hey when wifey came out strapped the teens stopped pummeling the dude. It ended the fight, suddenly everyone turned polite (relative to what it was before, with the punching and all) and it ended with a couple black eyes* as opposed to what could've been pretty nasty injuries considering the way that guy was getting smacked around. Guns worked, not the most ideal set of circumstances but it defused the f*** out of that situation. *Yea someone discharged a round. Looks like the dude did, that was stupid and should result in charges. Yes and that gun could of just as easily made a few black eyes into a fatality because emotions run high and s*** happens. This migh have been the worst argument you have ever made on this board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_genius Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Mar 29, 2013 -> 11:31 AM) Guns worked, not the most ideal set of circumstances but it defused the f*** out of that situation. i would have simply shot him a 5 or 6 times after his initial punch, then drove off. quick and easy resolution. situation defused. Edited March 30, 2013 by mr_genius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeNukeEm Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 Yes and that gun could of just as easily made a few black eyes into a fatality because emotions run high and s*** happens. This migh have been the worst argument you have ever made on this board. But nobody got hurt, except for the guy who wound up with a couple black eyes and probably a mean little headache. And notice how the guy who started the fight didn't initially come at them with the gun, his wife actually pulled hers out first when he was getting knocked around. Part of responsible gun ownership is not behaving like that when you have your weapon on you (you really shouldn't behave like that at all, but skip that point), I agree. But fights like this happen all the time and sometimes people really do get hurt, in the right spot a punch can be lethal, however once a gun was brought into the picture nobody wanted to fight anymore. The guy and his wife took off, the kids freaked out and backed off and the whole thing went from escalating like crazy to suddenly diffused. Emotions were definitely running high, the guy was so amped he (probably) accidentally discharged a round into the pavement. But he didn't shoot anyone. His wife didn't shoot anyone... even this example of a wildly irresponsible gun owner who lacks both trigger discipline and judgment didn't end up the way liberals envision every confrontation culminates to. What you should take away from this is that if that bozo didn't light anyone up then over-f***ing-whelming majority of responsible gun owners sure as hell wouldn't either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted March 31, 2013 Author Share Posted March 31, 2013 yeah I'm gonna stay with "this is exactly the type of 'good guy' 'law-abiding citizen' who should never be allowed to own a gun" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeNukeEm Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 yeah I'm gonna stay with "this is exactly the type of 'good guy' 'law-abiding citizen' who should never be allowed to own a gun" Of course, you made up your mind a long time ago about this and aren't letting go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Mar 30, 2013 -> 01:00 PM) But nobody got hurt, except for the guy who wound up with a couple black eyes and probably a mean little headache. And notice how the guy who started the fight didn't initially come at them with the gun, his wife actually pulled hers out first when he was getting knocked around. Part of responsible gun ownership is not behaving like that when you have your weapon on you (you really shouldn't behave like that at all, but skip that point), I agree. But fights like this happen all the time and sometimes people really do get hurt, in the right spot a punch can be lethal, however once a gun was brought into the picture nobody wanted to fight anymore. The guy and his wife took off, the kids freaked out and backed off and the whole thing went from escalating like crazy to suddenly diffused. Emotions were definitely running high, the guy was so amped he (probably) accidentally discharged a round into the pavement. But he didn't shoot anyone. His wife didn't shoot anyone... even this example of a wildly irresponsible gun owner who lacks both trigger discipline and judgment didn't end up the way liberals envision every confrontation culminates to. What you should take away from this is that if that bozo didn't light anyone up then over-f***ing-whelming majority of responsible gun owners sure as hell wouldn't either. Except in the case of Treyvon Martin, someone did die... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted April 1, 2013 Author Share Posted April 1, 2013 QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Mar 31, 2013 -> 01:54 PM) Of course, you made up your mind a long time ago about this and aren't letting go. yeah, how unreasonable to say that this guy shouldn't have a gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Mar 29, 2013 -> 12:31 PM) Those were some savage f***ing teenagers. Look, I already know what's being said here. "HAHA p**** CANT WIN A FIGHT WITHOUT A GUN", "START A FIGHT, LOSE, THEN GET UPSET ABOUT IT AND PULL A GUN?! HAHA GUN OWNERS ARE LOSERS"... but hey when wifey came out strapped the teens stopped pummeling the dude. It ended the fight, suddenly everyone turned polite (relative to what it was before, with the punching and all) and it ended with a couple black eyes* as opposed to what could've been pretty nasty injuries considering the way that guy was getting smacked around. Guns worked, not the most ideal set of circumstances but it defused the f*** out of that situation. *Yea someone discharged a round. Looks like the dude did, that was stupid and should result in charges. Oh please. I'm a full supporter of gun rights but that's BS. The dude followed the teens home, got out and confronted them and threw the first punch. He got what he deserved. The teens were done once they threw him to the ground. That's when the wife came out with the gun. Pulling the gun out only would have made that situation worse. Both of those people should lose their gun privileges forever. I am a strong proponent of gun ownership but I also feel strongly in responsible ownership and that video proves that those two are not responsible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonWeltall Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Mar 30, 2013 -> 07:00 PM) Emotions were definitely running high, the guy was so amped he (probably) accidentally discharged a round into the pavement. He fired the gun multiple times, hitting the truck and a nearby house. He didn't accidentally do squat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pettie4sox Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 Man that video was hilarious. I mean what the heck did that guy think was going to happen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 (edited) Snooze. A gun was involved therefore overreaction. He could have gone back to his car to grab a baseball bat and it would be a nonstory. Idiots are everywhere, with guns and without guns. Had he shot these kids, he would have been tried and most likely found guilty of attempted murder/murder. SYG would not apply. Edit: Given what the article says and the video shows anyway. If he goes back to his truck and starts to pull away and those kids come after him again, well, then I could see an argument. He's lost the fight, committed the crime using the gun, but nonetheless relented and went back to his car. If they come after him again with a gun of their own or a knife or something I think he has the right to retaliate if he feels threatened, even if he did start the initial fight. Edited April 1, 2013 by Jenksismybitch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 I also find it a little odd what happens off camera. He goes back to his car, then what? Why start shooting? Was he provoked again? Did the kids come after him with something? That's sort of an important piece to the puzzle here re: the gun's involvement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pettie4sox Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Apr 1, 2013 -> 01:01 PM) I also find it a little odd what happens off camera. He goes back to his car, then what? Why start shooting? Was he provoked again? Did the kids come after him with something? That's sort of an important piece to the puzzle here re: the gun's involvement. Sheer adrenaline. I'm surprised he didn't unload the clip into the teens; that took a lot of a self restraint. Edited April 1, 2013 by pettie4sox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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