He_Gawn Posted August 20, 2012 Author Share Posted August 20, 2012 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Aug 20, 2012 -> 06:34 PM) No they wouldnt. Wisconsin has lost committed players before. The situations are not comparable at all. Tom Crean has recruited Wisconsin players after they committed before, so why would Ryan not recruit Crean players? It would be completely negligent and derelict on his part. Furthermore, Indiana has a history (see Eric Gordon) of recruiting players already committed in the Big 10. Again why would Wisconsin let Indiana do it, and not do it themselves? It would be complete stupidity. How is it the same concept? Why dont you show me a comparable situation, where Bo Ryan recruited a player who red-shirted for another Big 10 team and that player then went to Wisconsin on scholarship. Otherwise its nothing more than a troll, and I hope that every Illinois fan destroys you for this hypocritical nonsense. Only the worst homer Hoosier fan would complain about this, its sad actually. And Indiana history includes a coach that was fired 5 years ago. Please, which players from Wisconsin has Tom Crean continued to recruit at Indiana?? Like I said, Tom Crean didn't recruit Uthoff while he was at Wisconsin, and it was never proven anyone else did either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (He_Gawn @ Aug 20, 2012 -> 05:51 PM) And Indiana history includes a coach that was fired 5 years ago. Please, which players from Wisconsin has Tom Crean continued to recruit at Indiana?? Like I said, Tom Crean didn't recruit Uthoff while he was at Wisconsin, and it was never proven anyone else did either. Where did I say that Tom Crean recruited Uthoff? Uthoff was on scholarship from Wisconsin. Wisconsin had paid Uthoff's tuition for 1 year. How is this comparable to a player who is still in High School? I dont know what players Tom Crean has continued to recruit, I assume Tom Crean and every other coach in NCAA continues recruiting players until the final day of signing. I dont get upset that coaches are doing their job and following up with players to see how committed they are. You have no point, this is one of the worst trolls of all time. (edit) And I wouldnt even know how Crean could still be recruiting, he already over-signs most of his classes. Which is probably why Bo Ryan contacted Fischer, you know after Patterson lost his scholarship right before the season started. Edited August 20, 2012 by Soxbadger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
He_Gawn Posted August 20, 2012 Author Share Posted August 20, 2012 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Aug 20, 2012 -> 06:55 PM) Where did I say that Tom Crean recruited Uthoff? Uthoff was on scholarship from Wisconsin. Wisconsin had paid Uthoff's tuition for 1 year. How is this comparable to a player who is still in High School? I dont know what players Tom Crean has continued to recruit, I assume Tom Crean and every other coach in NCAA continues recruiting players until the final day of signing. I dont get upset that coaches are doing their job and following up with players to see how committed they are. You have no point, this is one of the worst trolls of all time. The point was, most coaches, teams, and fans frown upon this stuff outside of college football. You saw the backlash with Sampson. I was merely pointing out that Mr. Ryan isn't the saint he's made out to be. I realize Uthoff was not recruited by Indiana, but you keep making it a point to say that teams "badgered" him into leaving Wisconsin, yet that is clearly against NCAA rules and no NCAA action was ever taken. I don't consider "following up on a players commitment" to be contacting him for 2 weeks straight until Luke finally contacts Indiana based basketball websites to get his story out so that Wisconsin will leave him alone... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (He_Gawn @ Aug 20, 2012 -> 06:00 PM) The point was, most coaches, teams, and fans frown upon this stuff outside of college football. You saw the backlash with Sampson. I was merely pointing out that Mr. Ryan isn't the saint he's made out to be. I realize Uthoff was not recruited by Indiana, but you keep making it a point to say that teams "badgered" him into leaving Wisconsin, yet that is clearly against NCAA rules and no NCAA action was ever taken. I don't consider "following up on a players commitment" to be contacting him for 2 weeks straight until Luke finally contacts Indiana based basketball websites to get his story out so that Wisconsin will leave him alone... Where did I say anyone badgered Uthoff to leave? Seriously quit putting words in my mouth. I dont care Uthoff left. I cared that people were upset Bo Ryan didnt want him to get a scholarship to another Big 10 school. You are ridiculous, seriously. Let me make this very clear, if it wasnt Tom Crean, I doubt Bo Ryan would do it. But because of a long long history between them, Im pretty sure Bo Ryan could give a flying f*** about Tom Crean's feelings. Its funny you act like Fischer is a victim, its on Wisconsin sites that Wisconsin reached out to him to gauge his interest. That being said, Wisconsin never even offered him a scholarship, woe is mother f***ing me. Do I think Tom Crean called Gary Harris after he committed to MSU? Yep. What would I think if Tom Crean didnt call Gary Harris? Hes an idiot. Sorry, I dont really see what your point is. Edited August 20, 2012 by Soxbadger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
He_Gawn Posted August 20, 2012 Author Share Posted August 20, 2012 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Aug 20, 2012 -> 07:08 PM) Where did I say anyone badgered Uthoff to leave? Seriously quit putting words in my mouth. I dont care Uthoff left. I cared that people were upset Bo Ryan didnt want him to get a scholarship to another Big 10 school. You are ridiculous, seriously. Let me make this very clear, if it wasnt Tom Crean, I doubt Bo Ryan would do it. But because of a long long history between them, Im pretty sure Bo Ryan could give a flying f*** about Tom Crean's feelings. Its funny you act like Fischer is a victim, its on Wisconsin sites that Wisconsin reached out to him to gauge his interest. That being said, Wisconsin never even offered him a scholarship, woe is mother f***ing me. Do I think Tom Crean called Gary Harris after he committed to MSU? Yep. What would I think if Tom Crean didnt call Gary Harris? Hes an idiot. Sorry, I dont really see what your point is. Either way, regarding Gary Harris. I guarantee Crean DIDN'T call Gary Harris, as that would have been an NCAA violation. Harris notified MSU he chose them while he faxed his letter of intent to them on board of the ship they played UNC on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 QUOTE (He_Gawn @ Aug 20, 2012 -> 06:18 PM) Either way, regarding Gary Harris. I guarantee Crean DIDN'T call Gary Harris, as that would have been an NCAA violation. Harris notified MSU he chose them while he faxed his letter of intent to them on board of the ship they played UNC on. Oh so youre saying that Fischer hasnt put in his LOI? Interesting you once again just sunk your argument. Guess you didnt think that post through. If Fischer signs a LOI to Indiana, no one will contact him. Until the LOI is signed, hes open season. Thats how it works for every player, not sure what your complaint is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
He_Gawn Posted August 20, 2012 Author Share Posted August 20, 2012 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Aug 20, 2012 -> 07:24 PM) Oh so youre saying that Fischer hasnt put in his LOI? Interesting you once again just sunk your argument. Guess you didnt think that post through. If Fischer signs a LOI to Indiana, no one will contact him. Until the LOI is signed, hes open season. Thats how it works for every player, not sure what your complaint is. And as I've stated many times already, recruiting a committed player is thought of as "unethical" to the majority of the country. I'm not even saying it's right or wrong from my POV, I was merely poking a hole in Saint Bo Ryan's holy following. If this was the other way around, Red Foreman and Co. would be on their way to Crean's home ready to fight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 Indiana fan complaining about the recruitment of a committed player? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Aug 20, 2012 -> 06:46 PM) Indiana fan complaining about the recruitment of a committed player? LOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 QUOTE (He_Gawn @ Aug 20, 2012 -> 06:40 PM) And as I've stated many times already, recruiting a committed player is thought of as "unethical" to the majority of the country. I'm not even saying it's right or wrong from my POV, I was merely poking a hole in Saint Bo Ryan's holy following. If this was the other way around, Red Foreman and Co. would be on their way to Crean's home ready to fight. You do a lot of speculating about other programs and what you think they would do. Why dont you stick to Indiana, a team that actually took a committed player from Illinois, and explain to all of us, what your point is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 And to put this troll out of his misery: http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=193&f=2...9247764&p=1 You folks can believe me, not believe me or think I've been stuffing too many chicken tacos down my throat, but... I just talked to a certain WIAA Division 1 state championship head coach who has a son on the UW roster. This coach tells me without hesitation no one from UW has contacted Luke, or friends of Luke, or his family members of Luke, his chef, personal trainer, etc., to see if he is interested in switching his commitment. I'll take Steve at his word. Carry on. Jeff Potrykus -- What do I want for Christmas? Taco Bell gift certificates, of course. Im still laughing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Aug 20, 2012 -> 06:46 PM) Indiana fan complaining about the recruitment of a committed player? :lolhitting That's good stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dasox24 Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Aug 20, 2012 -> 05:46 PM) Indiana fan complaining about the recruitment of a committed player? Damn, that's awesome. Well played... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
He_Gawn Posted August 22, 2012 Author Share Posted August 22, 2012 Of course he denies it, his son plays for UW and is a UW fan. There's quotes directly from Luke an his father indicating the exact opposite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 QUOTE (He_Gawn @ Aug 22, 2012 -> 12:54 PM) Of course he denies it, his son plays for UW and is a UW fan. There's quotes directly from Luke an his father indicating the exact opposite. Can you link the quotes? I have no idea what the truth is, so it would be nice to see what you are referring to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
He_Gawn Posted August 22, 2012 Author Share Posted August 22, 2012 Do you have a Rivals subscription to Peegs.com? If not, link will not work. Either way, both sides will have their story and believe what they want. It just makes no sense for Luke to randomly make this an issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 Yeah I obviously dont have a rivals subscription to an Indiana forum. And I dont know why? That is what most of the Wisconsin people are asking, because Wisconsin never offered Fischer a scholarship, so they are theorizing that this is Fischer trying to determine if Wisconsin has interest in him. It really is odd because if Wisconsin wanted him, you would think they would have offered him and worked the fact that his HS coach has a son going to Wisconsin as a walk-on and his AAU team is the "Wisconsin Swing" which has Koenig also a Wisconsin recruit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 I thought the mention of Eric Gordon ended this debate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
He_Gawn Posted August 22, 2012 Author Share Posted August 22, 2012 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Aug 22, 2012 -> 02:23 PM) Yeah I obviously dont have a rivals subscription to an Indiana forum. And I dont know why? That is what most of the Wisconsin people are asking, because Wisconsin never offered Fischer a scholarship, so they are theorizing that this is Fischer trying to determine if Wisconsin has interest in him. It really is odd because if Wisconsin wanted him, you would think they would have offered him and worked the fact that his HS coach has a son going to Wisconsin as a walk-on and his AAU team is the "Wisconsin Swing" which has Koenig also a Wisconsin recruit. Likely because UW is starting to miss on their top targets, ala Semi and Washington. Rock- I'm not saying its right or wrong, as I really don't care. I was just pointing it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Aug 22, 2012 -> 07:45 PM) I thought the mention of Eric Gordon ended this debate. Me too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball...noel-recruiting Kentucky/Calipari recruit investigated for shady recruiting practices? noooooooo waaaaaaaay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Aug 23, 2012 -> 11:36 AM) http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball...noel-recruiting Kentucky/Calipari recruit investigated for shady recruiting practices? noooooooo waaaaaaaay If Calipari thought they'd find anything serious he'd be in the NBA right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 23, 2012 -> 10:40 AM) If Calipari thought they'd find anything serious he'd be in the NBA right now. you mean waiting out a season until entering the NBA draft And Calipari never worries about repercussions, come on now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farmteam Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Aug 23, 2012 -> 10:52 AM) you mean waiting out a season until entering the NBA draft And Calipari never worries about repercussions, come on now I agree with both you and Balta...if Calipari legitimately thought they'd find something he'd bolt, but his ego is big enough to think they'd never find something. Edited August 23, 2012 by farmteam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 QUOTE (farmteam @ Aug 23, 2012 -> 12:02 PM) I agree with both you and Balta...if Calipari legitimately thought they'd find something he'd bolt, but his ego is big enough to think they'd never find something. Disagree here. He left Memphis when he knew something would be found. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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