2012-2013 NCAA Basketball thread

[Rex Hudler]

We kicked him outta the club for being too old and grouchy

 

Some days that's true!!

[Jenksismyhero]

It's more someone talking about about the coach/program who shows some accuracy in what they say is what we're looking for. The stuff you are spewing is so off base it's not worth arguing. Make an argument with some solid facts and I'll be happy to listen. Or better yet, how about posting your basketball coaching resume and enlighten us with what you know about the game. Certainly in your posts today, I haven't read much at all.

 

Its a pretty telling sign that you continue to evade giving any sort of response other than "oh you must be blind and stupid to think that way."

[Rex Hudler]

Its a pretty telling sign that you continue to evade giving any sort of response other than "oh you must be blind and stupid to think that way."

 

When you are that wrong, there is no need to argue. That said, I have addressed the same topics in replies to others. There is just no need to get into something with someone making hamburgers up. I'll simply say it gain. If you claim that the majority of Indiana's players have not improved under Tom Crean, then you know nothing about basketball or are spewing something based off watching a highlight or two. It's simply not even CLOSE to accurate.

[Dick Allen]

How much basketball coaching is allowed by the NCAA during the offseason. I think improving is up to the player.

[IlliniKrush]

I considered that and it definitely factors in. But how nice would it be to see them lose in the play in game and that be discussed for a couple of days. The play in game would almost be a slap in the face to Kentucky. There is more risk in that scenario though, I agree.

 

That said, I just looked at the SEC Tournament bracket and it will shock me if they don't make it to the championship game, which will get them in clearly. They'll have to beat the Vandy-Arkansas winner which is a given since the game won't be in Fayetteville. Then the winner of Missouri - Ole Miss. I guess Missouri can beat them, but they have yet to win a half way difficult game outside of Columbia this year so I'm not holding my breath.

It definitely would be hilarious to watch them playing in the play-in game. I guess missing the tournament brings up some trivia that I don't know the answer to, how many national champions have missed the tournament the next year?

 

Hey now, Missouri beat Illinois on a neutral court, does that count? I mean, I'd say we're "half way difficult"

[Jenksismyhero]

When you are that wrong, there is no need to argue. That said, I have addressed the same topics in replies to others. There is just no need to get into something with someone making hamburgers up. I'll simply say it gain. If you claim that the majority of Indiana's players have not improved under Tom Crean, then you know nothing about basketball or are spewing something based off watching a highlight or two. It's simply not even CLOSE to accurate.

 

Again, no response. Look, reasonable people can disagree. You've been given examples by me but poo pooed them away. You've been given stats but poo pooed them away. Just nut up and say you disagree and give me an example of a play or skill you think Crean assisted with instead of resorting to lame personal attacks about my knowledge of basketball.

[Rex Hudler]

Again, no response. Look, reasonable people can disagree. You've been given examples by me but poo pooed them away. You've been given stats but poo pooed them away. Just nut up and say you disagree and give me an example of a play or skill you think Crean assisted with instead of resorting to lame personal attacks about my knowledge of basketball.

 

Scroll back and read a little. It's all there. Then watch a little more basketball and we'll talk.

[LittleHurt05]

I was there in 04 and 05, 05 was a good atmosphere only because it was essentially their national championship game. 04 was OK. The place is pretty huge, I always think of it as a smaller United Center.

 

04 was the game I was at too, where Illinois clinched the outright title to end the season. It definitely has the size of a large arena like the UC, not a cozier college arena.

[Soxbadger]

A side note, Cody's brother Luke and the family have started a non-profit business running basketball camps that teach life skills and leadership in addition to basketball. Here is a blip from the website.

 

MORE THAN A SPORTS CAMP

 

At DistinXion, we know that youth are our future, but we also know that it takes the entire community to lead, teach, and model for them the life skills that will help them make our future world a better place.

 

Amidst a society that is lacking character, honesty, and integrity we believe your children are the beginning of a new generation that will grow into DISTINCT athletes with DISTINCT character. And we want the honor of teaching them! Join our community, join our family, and LET’S BE DISTINCT!

 

They could be cashing in on their name right now and instead are starting a non-profit. DistinXion.org

 

Lets hope they are doing it for the right reasons. Many people dont realize that NFP's can pay salaries, so for all we know the NFP is merely so that they can get donations and give tax write offs, while at the same time making large money.

 

Its easier to get money from a corp when you can give a tax write off, than when you cant. So its likely they are cashing in on their name, the hope is that they are really doing it for the kids and not using the NFP as a tax shelter for their rich friends.

 

This is a common problem with NFPs and one of the reasons Im kind of a dick to clients who call in about them. I only want to help them if they are truly doing it for charity. If they ask about salary and how they can pay themselves I find a reason to say they cant.

 

The Zeller family seems like good people though, so I think they are doing it for the right reasons.

[Rex Hudler]

Lets hope they are doing it for the right reasons. Many people dont realize that NFP's can pay salaries, so for all we know the NFP is merely so that they can get donations and give tax write offs, while at the same time making large money.

 

Its easier to get money from a corp when you can give a tax write off, than when you cant. So its likely they are cashing in on their name, the hope is that they are really doing it for the kids and not using the NFP as a tax shelter for their rich friends.

 

This is a common problem with NFPs and one of the reasons Im kind of a dick to clients who call in about them. I only want to help them if they are truly doing it for charity. If they ask about salary and how they can pay themselves I find a reason to say they cant.

 

The Zeller family seems like good people though, so I think they are doing it for the right reasons.

 

Considering the message and content of the camps, I'm not too worried about that. Mr. Zeller as I understand it is the head of a Perdue Chicken Processing plant. Luke was playing basketball professionally overseas before half an NBA season this year. Tyler is in the NBA. Two of the three were class valedictorians and the other was 2nd in his class. Money does not seem to be the driving force behind the family, yet they don't seem to be hurting. They are teaching kids life skills with a Christian message. Not thinking they will be a problem.

[RockRaines]

04 was the game I was at too, where Illinois clinched the outright title to end the season. It definitely has the size of a large arena like the UC, not a cozier college arena.

We used to have St Johns which was smaller but they then built whats essentially an NBA-type arena. Before they moved the students it was silent.

[RockRaines]

Considering the message and content of the camps, I'm not too worried about that. Mr. Zeller as I understand it is the head of a Perdue Chicken Processing plant. Luke was playing basketball professionally overseas before half an NBA season this year. Tyler is in the NBA. Two of the three were class valedictorians and the other was 2nd in his class. Money does not seem to be the driving force behind the family, yet they don't seem to be hurting. They are teaching kids life skills with a Christian message. Not thinking they will be a problem.

If Zeller came back (not likely) what happens to the schollies they were hoping on banking?

[ZoomSlowik]

If Zeller came back (not likely) what happens to the schollies they were hoping on banking?

 

You must really want to drive Hoosier fans nuts today if you're bringing up their scholarship situation.

[LittleHurt05]

Lets hope they are doing it for the right reasons. Many people dont realize that NFP's can pay salaries, so for all we know the NFP is merely so that they can get donations and give tax write offs, while at the same time making large money.

 

Its easier to get money from a corp when you can give a tax write off, than when you cant. So its likely they are cashing in on their name, the hope is that they are really doing it for the kids and not using the NFP as a tax shelter for their rich friends.

 

This is a common problem with NFPs and one of the reasons Im kind of a dick to clients who call in about them. I only want to help them if they are truly doing it for charity. If they ask about salary and how they can pay themselves I find a reason to say they cant.

 

The Zeller family seems like good people though, so I think they are doing it for the right reasons.

 

That seems to be popular with many professional athletes. Start up a "charity" so mom, sis, Uncle Bob, Cousin Sue, all have paid jobs, while the charity actually donates about 10% of what it actually brings in.

[Rowand44]

It'll be interesting to see if the Creighton win can get St Mary's into the dance cause their resume pretty much sucks outside that one home win.

[Rex Hudler]

If Zeller came back (not likely) what happens to the schollies they were hoping on banking?

 

I don't think that'll be an issue. There are a lot of possibilities. Apparently Peter Jurkin's foot injury has reoccurred (or resurfaced) and there is wonder whether he'll ever be able to play. Mo Creek will graduate this year and may or may not be back for a 5th season. Austin Etherington had a really bad injury to his knee and I've heard (not confirmed) that he had a similar injury in HS. If so, he may not be able to return. I don't see any way Oladipo returns. Lastly, it is my understanding that the Zeller's were willing to pay Cody's way this year if Patterson didn't fail the summer program. That is, if no one else transfers.

Edited March 12, 2013 by Rex Hudler

[zenryan]

I finally figured out the downside of March Madness and its those stupid Buffalo Wild Wings commercials.

[ZoomSlowik]

Tournament of most hated college athletes of the last 30 years.

 

If for no other reason, had to post it for Duke having their own bracket.

[southsider2k5]

Again, no response. Look, reasonable people can disagree. You've been given examples by me but poo pooed them away. You've been given stats but poo pooed them away. Just nut up and say you disagree and give me an example of a play or skill you think Crean assisted with instead of resorting to lame personal attacks about my knowledge of basketball.

 

Come on man, you dismissed Oladipo as a "fluke". I would call that the very definition of "poo pooed them away".

[RockRaines]

You must really want to drive Hoosier fans nuts today if you're bringing up their scholarship situation.

It's a valid question. That's a scholly they probably want to bank.

[WilliamTell]

It'll be interesting to see if the Creighton win can get St Mary's into the dance cause their resume pretty much sucks outside that one home win.

 

I would say they make it in even though they just lost handedly to Gonzaga in the WCC championship. Not that it means much but they have a 33 RPI and BPI but are outside the top 100 in SoS I believe. St. Mary's finished 27-6 with 3 of the losses to Gonzaga. I my guess is they'll get a 10 or 11 seed.

[farmteam]

It's a valid question. That's a scholly they probably want to bank.

For next year, we're currently 3 over if everyone were to say. I'd be shocked if Oladipo doesn't leave, so there's 1. I'd be surprised, though not totally stunned, if Zeller returned, so there's 2. Seems likely Creek could leave (severely limited by his injuries, he's graduated, just became a father), so that would be 3. Even if all three of those don't happen, there's enough possibilities that I'm sure it will be under control.

 

Not as sure about the years after that, and there's too many variables to really figure it out.

[He_Gawn]

For next year, we're currently 3 over if everyone were to say. I'd be shocked if Oladipo doesn't leave, so there's 1. I'd be surprised, though not totally stunned, if Zeller returned, so there's 2. Seems likely Creek could leave (severely limited by his injuries, he's graduated, just became a father), so that would be 3. Even if all three of those don't happen, there's enough possibilities that I'm sure it will be under control.

 

Not as sure about the years after that, and there's too many variables to really figure it out.

 

Yep. Creans been asked numerous times on his radio show. Keeps saying "he's not stupid, and there's a plan A, B, C, for whatever happens after the season".

 

It just makes it easier for him since he can't develop, nor coach, so it's just a revolving door, right?

 

He's probably alright with this for a couple weeks, though...

 

Edited March 12, 2013 by He_Gawn

[southsider2k5]

With playing time being what it is, there almost has to be at least one transfer. Someone has to be pissed about their minutes.

[LittleHurt05]

Tournament of most hated college athletes of the last 30 years.

 

If for no other reason, had to post it for Duke having their own bracket.

 

No Jon Scheyer? Awful job by the selection committee