2012-2013 NCAA Basketball thread

[LittleHurt05]

It'll be interesting to see if the Creighton win can get St Mary's into the dance cause their resume pretty much sucks outside that one home win.

 

Great job of non-conference scheduling by the St. Marys coach, may cost them a bid

[Brian]

Great job of non-conference scheduling by the St. Marys coach, may cost them a bid

 

If they schedule up, they may not have as many wins as they do now.

[cabiness42]

It definitely would be hilarious to watch them playing in the play-in game. I guess missing the tournament brings up some trivia that I don't know the answer to, how many national champions have missed the tournament the next year?

 

Hey now, Missouri beat Illinois on a neutral court, does that count? I mean, I'd say we're "half way difficult"

 

North Carolina missed the tournament the year after their last championship. I think Florida missed it after their second one, and I remember hearing that Kansas was on probation the year after the Danny Manning team.

[cabiness42]

BIG EAST voting this morning to allow ND to move to ACC in 2013-14 instead of 2014-15. Louisville will not be allowed to move early as their football team is needed to fill out the 2013 schedule.

[Jenksismyhero]

Come on man, you dismissed Oladipo as a "fluke". I would call that the very definition of "poo pooed them away".

 

How many times does a player make a jump from good athlete to national player of the year in one season? Not very many. That's the definition of a fluke. No one, including Crean, would have ever thought he could play at that level.

 

 

And as I explained before, I'm not sure the areas where he jumped can be attributable to coaching, though I did concede that Crean probably gets credit for his basketball IQ, which is very high.

[farmteam]

How many times does a player make a jump from good athlete to national player of the year in one season? Not very many. That's the definition of a fluke. No one, including Crean, would have ever thought he could play at that level.

 

 

And as I explained before, I'm not sure the areas where he jumped can be attributable to coaching, though I did concede that Crean probably gets credit for his basketball IQ, which is very high.

He didn't make it one season, though. He improved as much between his freshman and sophomore years as he did between sophomore and junior.

[Jenksismyhero]

He didn't make it one season, though. He improved as much between his freshman and sophomore years as he did between sophomore and junior.

 

I don't think his numbers show that. He played more minutes and so his numbers went up, but his shooting percentages were down.

 

 

SEASON AVERAGES

 

SEASON TEAM MIN FGM-FGA FG% 3PM-3PA 3P% FTM-FTA FT% REB AST BLK STL PF TO PTS

2012-13 IND 27.8 5.1-8.4 .614 0.8-1.8 .464 2.6-3.5 .745 6.2 2.1 0.8 2.2 2.5 2.3 13.7

2011-12 IND 26.7 3.8-8.0 .471 0.3-1.3 .208 3.0-4.0 .750 5.3 2.0 0.6 1.4 2.5 2.1 10.8

2010-11 IND 18.0 2.8-5.0 .547 0.3-0.8 .308 1.6-2.7 .612 3.7 0.9 0.2 1.1 2.2 1.4 7.4

 

SEASON TOTALS

 

SEASON TEAM MIN FGM-FGA FG% 3PM-3PA 3P% FTM-FTA FT% REB AST BLK STL PF TO PTS

2012-13 IND 862 159-259 .614 26-56 .464 82-110 .745 193 66 26 69 77 70 426

2011-12 IND 961 136-289 .471 10-48 .208 108-144 .750 191 73 21 49 90 76 390

2010-11 IND 576 88-161 .547 8-26 .308 52-85 .612 119 28 7 34 69 44 236

 

 

 

[Chisoxfn]

It's Indiana. On this board it means anything to do with them will be seen through Orange colored classes instead of with any kind of objectivity.

They are still sulking from my Hawkeyes beating em.

[He_Gawn]

I don't think his numbers show that. He played more minutes and so his numbers went up, but his shooting percentages were down.

 

 

SEASON AVERAGES

 

SEASON TEAM MIN FGM-FGA FG% 3PM-3PA 3P% FTM-FTA FT% REB AST BLK STL PF TO PTS

2012-13 IND 27.8 5.1-8.4 .614 0.8-1.8 .464 2.6-3.5 .745 6.2 2.1 0.8 2.2 2.5 2.3 13.7

2011-12 IND 26.7 3.8-8.0 .471 0.3-1.3 .208 3.0-4.0 .750 5.3 2.0 0.6 1.4 2.5 2.1 10.8

2010-11 IND 18.0 2.8-5.0 .547 0.3-0.8 .308 1.6-2.7 .612 3.7 0.9 0.2 1.1 2.2 1.4 7.4

 

SEASON TOTALS

 

SEASON TEAM MIN FGM-FGA FG% 3PM-3PA 3P% FTM-FTA FT% REB AST BLK STL PF TO PTS

2012-13 IND 862 159-259 .614 26-56 .464 82-110 .745 193 66 26 69 77 70 426

2011-12 IND 961 136-289 .471 10-48 .208 108-144 .750 191 73 21 49 90 76 390

2010-11 IND 576 88-161 .547 8-26 .308 52-85 .612 119 28 7 34 69 44 236

 

This is hilarious. You can't solely look at stats. Victor made a huge jump last year too. You don't think Crean had anything to do with Victor's improved shot and ballhandling? We get it, you don't think Wade, Diener, Novak, and now Oladipo are in the NBA because of anything Crean did. We understand you hate the guy. The guy can develop wings, especially lowly 3 star ones. That may be why he has 4 and 5 star wings knocking down the door to come play for him...

 

I honestly cannot believe you are trying to make this arguement. I don't think you've watched Oladipo play up until this year, have you? If you have, it's even more hilarious.

[Buehrle>Wood]

Here's my bubble breakdown. I have it at 15 teams for 7 spots. If your team isn't listed here, they are a lock or out of it. I'm sure you know which.

 

---In---

California

Iowa State

Boise State

----First Four---

St. Mary's

La Salle

Tennessee

Kentucky

---Out---

Virginia

Baylor

Middle Tennessee

Ole Miss

Alabama

Iowa

So. Miss

Massachusetts

 

 

[Buehrle>Wood]

It's Indiana. On this board it means anything to do with them will be seen through Orange colored classes instead of with any kind of objectivity.

Eh, outside of farmteam the IU base is as delusional as it gets here.

[farmteam]

I don't think his numbers show that. He played more minutes and so his numbers went up, but his shooting percentages were down.

 

 

SEASON AVERAGES

 

SEASON TEAM MIN FGM-FGA FG% 3PM-3PA 3P% FTM-FTA FT% REB AST BLK STL PF TO PTS

2012-13 IND 27.8 5.1-8.4 .614 0.8-1.8 .464 2.6-3.5 .745 6.2 2.1 0.8 2.2 2.5 2.3 13.7

2011-12 IND 26.7 3.8-8.0 .471 0.3-1.3 .208 3.0-4.0 .750 5.3 2.0 0.6 1.4 2.5 2.1 10.8

2010-11 IND 18.0 2.8-5.0 .547 0.3-0.8 .308 1.6-2.7 .612 3.7 0.9 0.2 1.1 2.2 1.4 7.4

 

SEASON TOTALS

 

SEASON TEAM MIN FGM-FGA FG% 3PM-3PA 3P% FTM-FTA FT% REB AST BLK STL PF TO PTS

2012-13 IND 862 159-259 .614 26-56 .464 82-110 .745 193 66 26 69 77 70 426

2011-12 IND 961 136-289 .471 10-48 .208 108-144 .750 191 73 21 49 90 76 390

2010-11 IND 576 88-161 .547 8-26 .308 52-85 .612 119 28 7 34 69 44 236

But his free throw percentage skyrocketed, he rebounded/blocked/assisted at a better clip (even taking into account the increased minutes), and his ball handling improved. Starting with the game in West Lafayette in February 2012, he started taking the ball up top a lot more and handing it, which he never did before that.

[Rex Hudler]

With playing time being what it is, there almost has to be at least one transfer. Someone has to be pissed about their minutes.

 

My hunch is that could be Remy Abell. He's really struggled in Big Ten play this year and is not a SG, so he will be behind Yogi for sure. With others coming in and Sheehey able to play a guard position, I'm wondering if he doesn't see the writing on the wall. It's just a hunch.

[Rex Hudler]

This is hilarious. You can't solely look at stats. Victor made a huge jump last year too. You don't think Crean had anything to do with Victor's improved shot and ballhandling? We get it, you don't think Wade, Diener, Novak, and now Oladipo are in the NBA because of anything Crean did. We understand you hate the guy. The guy can develop wings, especially lowly 3 star ones. That may be why he has 4 and 5 star wings knocking down the door to come play for him...

 

I honestly cannot believe you are trying to make this arguement. I don't think you've watched Oladipo play up until this year, have you? If you have, it's even more hilarious.

 

He's being an idiot, whether intention or by ignorance I'm not sure. Ever tried to argue with an idiot? It's like banging your head against a very thick wall. You can never win so you just stop.

[Rex Hudler]

Eh, outside of farmteam the IU base is as delusional as it gets here.

 

I shouldn't even ask... but I'm delusional? In what way?

[Buehrle>Wood]

I shouldn't even ask... but I'm delusional? In what way?

I don't want want to resurrect the debate, but for IU fans the past scholi situation debates usually come to mind. Regardless of that, my point was that it was pretty odd for an Indiana fan to claim everything is viewed from an Illini perspective when IU clearly has a large and vocal fanbase in this thread to distort as well.

Edited March 12, 2013 by Buehrle>Wood

[ZoomSlowik]

He's being an idiot, whether intention or by ignorance I'm not sure. Ever tried to argue with an idiot? It's like banging your head against a very thick wall. You can never win so you just stop.

 

Kinda like arguing with a guy that posts opinions as facts and then questions your basketball knowledge if you dare disagree with him (and I do intend to stop).

Edited March 12, 2013 by ZoomSlowik

[ChiSox_Sonix]

Here's my bubble breakdown. I have it at 15 teams for 7 spots. If your team isn't listed here, they are a lock or out of it. I'm sure you know which.

 

---In---

California

Iowa State

Boise State

----First Four---

St. Mary's

La Salle

Tennessee

Kentucky

---Out---

Virginia

Baylor

Middle Tennessee

Ole Miss

Alabama

Iowa

So. Miss

Massachusetts

 

I'd put Baylor in over ISU, UT and Boise. I also think MTSU somehow gets in there

 

[cabiness42]

My vote would be:

 

IN:

Middle Tennessee

Colorado

Oklahoma

Cincinnati

Iowa State

Boise State

Temple

LaSalle

Oregon

Southern Miss

Illinois

Mississippi

Kentucky

 

OUT:

California

Villanova

Tennessee

Denver

Alabama

Baylor

Stanford

Virginia

BYU

Iowa

Providence

Maryland

[Jenksismyhero]

He's being an idiot, whether intention or by ignorance I'm not sure. Ever tried to argue with an idiot? It's like banging your head against a very thick wall. You can never win so you just stop.

 

Pot, meet Kettle.

[illinilaw08]

How much basketball coaching is allowed by the NCAA during the offseason. I think improving is up to the player.

 

THIS.

 

Lots of sweeping generalities from both sides in this thread. Certain guys are self-motivated and will put in the extra time to get better (Victor Oladipo at Indiana, Deron Williams at Illinois comes to mind). Deron and Luther Head made Bruce Weber a great player development guy... until he wasn't. I'm sure Crean helped Wade when Wade was at Marquette, but it isn't like Crean was working with Wade every offseason as he became the player that willed the Heat to the '06 Finals (or Weber with Deron to make him an Olympian). Likewise, I'm sure Crean has helped Oladipo, but it's Oladipo that's making the decision to stay in the gym late and put in the extra hours to improve as a player. The impact of a college coach on player development generally is seriously overstated.

 

 

 

 

 

[He_Gawn]

THIS.

 

Lots of sweeping generalities from both sides in this thread. Certain guys are self-motivated and will put in the extra time to get better (Victor Oladipo at Indiana, Deron Williams at Illinois comes to mind). Deron and Luther Head made Bruce Weber a great player development guy... until he wasn't. I'm sure Crean helped Wade when Wade was at Marquette, but it isn't like Crean was working with Wade every offseason as he became the player that willed the Heat to the '06 Finals (or Weber with Deron to make him an Olympian). Likewise, I'm sure Crean has helped Oladipo, but it's Oladipo that's making the decision to stay in the gym late and put in the extra hours to improve as a player. The impact of a college coach on player development generally is seriously overstated.

 

I think we all agree on this, except for the guy saying Oladipo getting better isn't because of Crean, nor did he get much better until this year. That's just ridiculous homerism.

[Jenksismyhero]

I think we all agree on this, except for the guy saying Oladipo getting better isn't because of Crean, nor did he get much better until this year. That's just ridiculous homerism.

 

That's not what I said. Learn to read. And player development was ONE critique of mine with Crean, the main one was his ability to read games and adjust gameplans/personnel.

 

Jesus Christ. Indiana fans. The f***ing worst.

[farmteam]

I wish the Indiana/Illinois games had a cool name, like the "Wabash River Rivalry" or something.

[Rex Hudler]

Kinda like arguing with a guy that posts opinions as facts and then questions your basketball knowledge if you dare disagree with him (and I do intend to stop).

 

It is an absolute fact that many IU players have improved, which was his whole premise. It's not opinion. And anyone who has watched them play consistently and has any basketball knowledge will agree with that. In fact, it's quite obvious. If you want to talk about a guy who hasn't improved as much as one would expect, that would be Remy Abell. He's really struggled since the B1G season started. So no, it's much different. I'm not on here spouting off about how much Illinois or Ohio State players have improved or not improved, because I don't see them enough to know. A small sample of a few games is not enough. Nor is looking at a stat sheet.