Soxbadger Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 30, 2012 -> 02:26 PM) Now its about PLAYING BASKETBALL not the U of W education you were popping off about. Well, he didn't PLAY BASKETBALL at Wisconsin, so he should be allowed to go where he wants to go. lol What are you even talking about? He didnt get an academic scholarship. Wisconsin recruited him to play basketball, his benefit was to get a Wisconsin education. Youre right, he didnt play basketball, but yet he got the free education. How you can try and spin that into Uthoff not getting the better end of the deal is nonsense. QUOTE (bmags @ Oct 30, 2012 -> 02:31 PM) There is no. f***ing. reason. on. earth. that a coach should be able to restrict a player's transfer anywhere. Absolutely none. These are amateur, unpaid athletes. The coach is making millions and can drop on a dime and leave the college, leaving the player at the whim of the new coach. And then if the player wants to transfer to be with a good fit? Sorry, you have to sit out a year. The player has no protection if the coach leaves, why should the coach get protection for when the player leaves? The bolded is false. Coaches have contracts that govern what they can do. Most coaches have to pay money to get out, if you are unfamiliar, that is called a "buyout" clause. Since everyone wants to talk about Bo Ryan, lets talk some facts: http://www.architecturalshowcase.com/artic...82&zoneid=8 It was an agent who talked to UW-Milwaukee's Haidet about then-Division III coach Bo Ryan's dream job -- 90 miles to the west in Madison -- when Ryan was interviewing for the UWM men's basketball position in 1999. Haidet agreed verbally that Ryan could make a clean break for the Badgers should that job become available (which it did two years into Ryan's UWM contract), with nary a buyout necessary. "That was one of the stipulations to signing Bo, and I probably wouldn't have been able to hire him without it," Haidet says. "There really is no precedence. It all depends on the situation, what agreements you make when you hire someone and then what your contracts look like based on those agreements." So you mean Bo Ryan contracted with Milwaukee that if he got the Badger job he could leave? You mean that the only way Milwaukee signed him was by giving this concession. OMG we finally are starting to understand the difference between a contract and NCAA rules. If you believe that the NCAA should change their rules and allow the student to negotiate contracts with the schools, so be it, I am all for that. And I would bet that part of getting a scholarship to any Big 10 school would be that the coach would restrict them from transferring in conference. But right now the rules are the rules and no one forced Uthoff to take a scholarship, but once he did, he knew that the rules were that he could not transfer without a release. So far I have seen no evidence that prior to signing Uthoff asked Bo Ryan to verbally agree to that he would allow him to transfer anywhere. So why Uthoff had that impression I have no idea, but the rules are clearly that Uthoff cant transfer anywhere for 1 year without a release. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 QUOTE (GoodAsGould @ Oct 30, 2012 -> 02:40 PM) Didn't this Wisconsin transfer thing happen awhile ago now, the start of the season is coming near is it possible we can leave the subject in the past or you 2 can pm it out instead of having 3 or so pages going back and forth over something that isn't news anymore. Just one of you be big enough and let the other person have the last word for the sake of everyone else. If everyone wants to shout down this nonsense for what it is, Ill gladly stop posting. I cant believe that anyone in their right mind still cares about this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Oct 30, 2012 -> 02:50 PM) If everyone wants to shout down this nonsense for what it is, Ill gladly stop posting. I cant believe that anyone in their right mind still cares about this. You are very good at arguing but seem to not understand sometimes with certain people you are wasting your time. It is like trying to tell Greg that Ozzie Guillen sucks or Mr. Genius that President Obama is a better candidate than Romney.... whether you believe either of those statements are true you aren't going to convince them to change their opinion on the topic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 QUOTE (bmags @ Oct 30, 2012 -> 09:23 AM) Oh hello Keion Bell. Keion can jump through the roof. Also, Flip and Oriakhi are best friends pretty much. I see them together EVERYWHERE on campus. Also, to toss my two cents in: Let players transfer if their coach leaves mid-contract, but not to that coach's new school. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Oct 30, 2012 -> 03:10 PM) Keion can jump through the roof. Also, Flip and Oriakhi are best friends pretty much. I see them together EVERYWHERE on campus. Also, to toss my two cents in: Let players transfer if their coach leaves mid-contract, but not to that coach's new school. Yeah, one thing I could get behind if the coach leaves the program it is kind of rotten the kid is stuck staying or having to sit out a year with someone he didn't come to play for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 I think that if a coach leaves the players should also get to leave. That seems fair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (bmags @ Oct 30, 2012 -> 02:31 PM) There is no. f***ing. reason. on. earth. that a coach should be able to restrict a player's transfer anywhere. Absolutely none. These are amateur, unpaid athletes. The coach is making millions and can drop on a dime and leave the college, leaving the player at the whim of the new coach. And then if the player wants to transfer to be with a good fit? Sorry, you have to sit out a year. The player has no protection if the coach leaves, why should the coach get protection for when the player leaves? LOL. Yes, let's have NCAA free agency. Maybe you should consider why it's a rule? Has to be some reason, right? Not "no f***ing reason on earth." QUOTE (bmags @ Oct 30, 2012 -> 02:32 PM) Waiving a fee != getting paid. Semantics. They keep the money. Edited October 30, 2012 by IlliniKrush Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ Oct 30, 2012 -> 09:53 PM) LOL. Yes, let's have NCAA free agency. Maybe you should consider why it's a rule? Has to be some reason, right? Not "no f***ing reason on earth." Semantics. They keep the money. I am not in favor of waiving the year sit-out rule. I am in favor of banning a coach preventing a player from transferring to a different school, while said coach can easily leave the college regardless of contract (really? When have we seen a contract ever affect a coach leaving? The surest sign of a coach about to leave is one that just signs a contract extension). These are amateur athletes. It's ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (bmags @ Oct 30, 2012 -> 04:36 PM) I am not in favor of waiving the year sit-out rule. I am in favor of banning a coach preventing a player from transferring to a different school, while said coach can easily leave the college regardless of contract (really? When have we seen a contract ever affect a coach leaving? The surest sign of a coach about to leave is one that just signs a contract extension). These are amateur athletes. It's ridiculous. Then I am not sure you know the rules because the 1 year sit out rule, is the rule we are talking about. A coach cant ban a player at all. The coach at worst, can restrict the transfer, which means the player has to sit for 1 year and pay his own way that year. Just so you know, Uthoff was restricted from going to Iowa by Wisconsin. Uthoff is currently at Iowa. He will get a scholarship next year. There is no such thing as "banning" there is simply forcing the student to sit 1 year without scholarship. Edited October 30, 2012 by Soxbadger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Oct 30, 2012 -> 09:47 PM) Then I am not sure you know the rules because the 1 year sit out rule, is the rule we are talking about. A coach cant ban a player at all. The coach at worst, can restrict the transfer, which means the player has to sit for 1 year and pay his own way that year. Just so you know, Uthoff was restricted from going to Iowa by Wisconsin. Uthoff is currently at Iowa. He will get a scholarship next year. There is no such thing as "banning" there is simply forcing the student to sit 1 year without scholarship. I'm talking about the restrictions on permission to contact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 QUOTE (bmags @ Oct 30, 2012 -> 05:15 PM) I'm talking about the restrictions on permission to contact. Not sure what you mean by this. You dont think there should be contact restrictions when a player is on scholarship to a school? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ Oct 30, 2012 -> 03:53 PM) LOL. Yes, let's have NCAA free agency. Maybe you should consider why it's a rule? Has to be some reason, right? Not "no f***ing reason on earth." Semantics. They keep the money. As far as I can tell, the NCAA has free agency. The players sign with the schools they want to sign with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 31, 2012 -> 09:28 AM) As far as I can tell, the NCAA has free agency. The players sign with the schools they want to sign with. Yep, 4 year deals with opt-out clauses at the penalty of one year or option to go to the minors Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Oct 30, 2012 -> 02:50 PM) If everyone wants to shout down this nonsense for what it is, Ill gladly stop posting. I cant believe that anyone in their right mind still cares about this. Well the Big Ten actually changed its transfer rule due to Brust. Before, you couldn't get a scholarship at all if you transferred within conference. Bo said Brust's move was a family decision. The article suggests Brust was going to sue the Big Ten which wouldn't let him go to Wisconsin even though Iowa gave its blessing. http://thegazette.com/2012/04/20/2010-bo-r...ing-a-decision/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 Wait this argument is still going on? Damn, this is worse than me and Balta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 31, 2012 -> 10:08 AM) Wait this argument is still going on? Damn, this is worse than me and Balta. whoa whoa whoa, lets not get crazy here with these assumptions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 If anyone is interested here is an article by Zach Bohannon about the Gasser injury: http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball...stating-injury- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 This thread sucks now. WTF. Who cares about that kid anyway? Is he even a top 50 kid in the conference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 Agreed, less talk about this guy, more talk about Jereme Richmond! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ Oct 31, 2012 -> 11:29 PM) Agreed, less talk about this guy, more talk about Jereme Richmond! He spells his name funny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 I know what will get this thread back on track...let's talk about how SIU demolished an awful d2 school on Saturday. GO... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Nov 1, 2012 -> 05:21 PM) I know what will get this thread back on track...let's talk about how SIU demolished an awful d2 school on Saturday. GO... IU plays Indiana Wesleyan coming up. That ought to be about as close as the cross country meet I ran against a guy who ran in the Olympics... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farmteam Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 1, 2012 -> 06:13 PM) IU plays Indiana Wesleyan coming up. That ought to be about as close as the cross country meet I ran against a guy who ran in the Olympics... I sure hope so. Can't watch it (don't want to pay for just one game), but I might listen to Don Fischer's call. People always talk about how great he is, but I've never listened to him because I've either been going to the games (and watching the away ones) as a student, or watching them after I graduated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 How about BTN trying to charge us to watch these early games? LOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farmteam Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Nov 1, 2012 -> 06:47 PM) How about BTN trying to charge us to watch these early games? LOL. Yeah it's ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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