2012-2013 NCAA Basketball thread

[kjshoe04]

I know what will get this thread back on track...let's talk about how SIU demolished an awful d2 school on Saturday. GO...

A step in the right direction. Last year they lost to a D2 school.

[Rex Hudler]

Took me a few days to read 40+ pages - less 5 or so I chose not to read about the Uthoff transfer nonesense, but I'm finally caught up! Is it basketball season yet??

[He_Gawn]

I sure hope so. Can't watch it (don't want to pay for just one game), but I might listen to Don Fischer's call. People always talk about how great he is, but I've never listened to him because I've either been going to the games (and watching the away ones) as a student, or watching them after I graduated.

 

He's awesome. I always mute the TV and listen to him while I watch.

 

As for the game last night.

 

1. Indiana's depth has depth, and thats even with Perea not playing right now.

2. Yogi is the missing piece to this team. He's incredibly quick with great vision.

3. I don't understand how Crean will be able to keep Sheehey out of the starting lineup.

 

Lastly, it was AWESOME to see Mo Creek playing again last night. Led the team in points! Looked great.

[RockRaines]

What has surprised me most about OSU this early in the season is that they are trying to be a fast break team again, its been awhile. Also Ross made the start and it looks like he is possibly gunning for the second leading scorer position on the wing. Matta intentionally didnt run any guard play against Walsh so it sucked watching Smith and Craft do nothing all game.

[Kyyle23]

A step in the right direction. Last year they lost to a D2 school.

 

Starting off badly. Both Dantiel Daniels and Davante Drinkard are injured for the foreseeable future. Gonna be a small team for at least the next 5 weeks, they just added a walkon forward from John A Logan because they couldnt even play 5 on 5 in practice

[Soxbadger]

If youre interested in why Zoom's been so quiet, its because hes been locked in a room writing this preview.

 

http://flapship.com/big-ten-ncaa-basketball-preview/

 

 

[Rex Hudler]

Does anyone know well/use ESPN3 often? My questions are is there any way to record a game on ESPN3 and if not, do they have replays of all games of just select ones?

[Jenksismyhero]

Does anyone know well/use ESPN3 often? My questions are is there any way to record a game on ESPN3 and if not, do they have replays of all games of just select ones?

 

I thought all of the games went into their on demand listings. That's the way it used to be anyway, for a period of time after the event.

[RockRaines]

If youre interested in why Zoom's been so quiet, its because hes been locked in a room writing this preview.

 

http://flapship.com/big-ten-ncaa-basketball-preview/

Way too much respect for MSU.

[ZoomSlowik]

Way too much respect for MSU.

 

I didn't really like any of those teams at #2. I fully expect MSU, OSU and Michigan to all be around 12-6, so it could have easily been 2A, 2B, 2C. MSU gets a slight edge for me because they have several guys that played significant minutes back in their frontcourt and I think Harris wins Freshman of the Year.

[Soxbadger]

I thought all of the games went into their on demand listings. That's the way it used to be anyway, for a period of time after the event.

 

I believe this is true.

 

 

[He_Gawn]

Perea and Jurkin suspended 9 games because AAU coach Mark Adams donated $185 to Indiana University from 1982-1985 and is considered a booster of the program. HILARIOUS

 

I'm glad Adams knew that Jurkin and Perea would be AWESOME players when they were born 10 years after he donated! Jesus christ NCAA... As UK wins with the NPOY who took $200,000 to go there........

[RockRaines]

Perea and Jurkin suspended 9 games because AAU coach Mark Adams donated $185 to Indiana University from 1982-1985 and is considered a booster of the program. HILARIOUS

 

I'm glad Adams knew that Jurkin and Perea would be AWESOME players when they were born 10 years after he donated! Jesus christ NCAA... As UK wins with the NPOY who took $200,000 to go there........

There is probably more to the story than that. 9 games is nothing anyway. The NCAA is trying to crack down on AAU coaches steering kids to schools they are closely aligned with.

 

 

 

Edited November 7, 2012 by RockRaines

[RockRaines]

 

Carrier classic Uni's

Edited November 7, 2012 by RockRaines

[GoodAsGould]

 

Carrier classic Uni's

 

Those look terrible

[Rex Hudler]

 

Carrier classic Uni's

Enough to make me not want to tune in

[RockRaines]

Enough to make me not want to tune in

Welcome to the world of NIke. Marquettes are worse.

 

 

On the IU stuff from before. So why did this AAU coach who obviously has close relationships to IU and somewhat steered these kids there give them over 14k in stuff? Why a laptop and cell phone? It seems odd. I agree that the official tie to the university is weird, but wouldnt the staff coming off of probation have checked into this?

[Rex Hudler]

There is probably more to the story than that. 9 games is nothing anyway. The NCAA is trying to crack down on AAU coaches steering kids to schools they are closely aligned with.

 

Apparently not. Sadly, it wasn't even one donation, it was several donations totaling a whopping $185, the last 15 years before he dealt with the two kids.

 

As detailed in the NCAA’s October 31, 2012 decision letter:

 

The institution was aware that Mr. Adams and his nonprofit organization had provided support to Mr. Perea and Mr. Jurkin, but believed such support was generally permissible pursuant to an NCAA June 6, 2000, interpretation, given Mr. Adams’ status as their nonscholastic coach and Mr. Perea’s apparent legal guardian. At the time, the institution did not believe Mr. Adams to be a representative of their athletics interests. From the summer of 2010 through April 2011, during the course of planning the recruitment of Mr. Perea and Mr. Jurkin, the institution’s compliance staff worked closely with the conference office, the NCAA AMA staff and NCAA enforcement basketball focusgroup staff regarding the relationship between Mr. Adams and the institu tion’s men’s basketball program and how to ensure the permissible recruitment of prospective student-athletes with ties to Mr. Adams’ nonscholastic team.

 

It was not until April 2011 that the then assistant athletics director for compliance revealed for the first time that he had knowl edge that Mr. Adams previously had made donations to the institution’s booster club. After completing his degree in 1980, Mr. Adams donated nominal amounts to the institution’s booster club. In total, Mr. Adams donated $185 between 1986 and 1992. He has made no other additional financial contributions in support of the institution’s athletics program.

 

Despite the minimal nature of Mr. Adams’ donations, and the fact that the last donation he made was more than 15 years before he provided expenses to a prospective student-athlete who enrolled at the institution, Mr. Adams must be considered a represen tative of the institution’s athletics interests.

 

The NCAA Basketball Focus Group worked with Indiana University staff to review the interaction between the men’s basketball program and Adams, A-HOPE, and Indiana Elite and have found no impermissible access or additional basis to further establish Adams as a representa- tive of Indiana University’s athletics interests.

 

 

[RockRaines]

Apparently not. Sadly, it wasn't even one donation, it was several donations totaling a whopping $185, the last 15 years before he dealt with the two kids.

 

As detailed in the NCAA’s October 31, 2012 decision letter:

 

The institution was aware that Mr. Adams and his nonprofit organization had provided support to Mr. Perea and Mr. Jurkin, but believed such support was generally permissible pursuant to an NCAA June 6, 2000, interpretation, given Mr. Adams’ status as their nonscholastic coach and Mr. Perea’s apparent legal guardian. At the time, the institution did not believe Mr. Adams to be a representative of their athletics interests. From the summer of 2010 through April 2011, during the course of planning the recruitment of Mr. Perea and Mr. Jurkin, the institution’s compliance staff worked closely with the conference office, the NCAA AMA staff and NCAA enforcement basketball focusgroup staff regarding the relationship between Mr. Adams and the institu tion’s men’s basketball program and how to ensure the permissible recruitment of prospective student-athletes with ties to Mr. Adams’ nonscholastic team.

 

It was not until April 2011 that the then assistant athletics director for compliance revealed for the first time that he had knowl edge that Mr. Adams previously had made donations to the institution’s booster club. After completing his degree in 1980, Mr. Adams donated nominal amounts to the institution’s booster club. In total, Mr. Adams donated $185 between 1986 and 1992. He has made no other additional financial contributions in support of the institution’s athletics program.

 

Despite the minimal nature of Mr. Adams’ donations, and the fact that the last donation he made was more than 15 years before he provided expenses to a prospective student-athlete who enrolled at the institution, Mr. Adams must be considered a represen tative of the institution’s athletics interests.

 

The NCAA Basketball Focus Group worked with Indiana University staff to review the interaction between the men’s basketball program and Adams, A-HOPE, and Indiana Elite and have found no impermissible access or additional basis to further establish Adams as a representa- tive of Indiana University’s athletics interests.

 

But he is clearly a fan of the program right and somewhat steered them there? Why 14k in stuff directly to those kids? Just seems strange, like a "handler".

 

I know there has been compliance issues at OSU that as soon as you buy season tickets, individual tickets or donate to a charity they put you on the "no contact" list.

Edited November 7, 2012 by RockRaines

[RockRaines]

And let's be honest, if all that happened is two freshman who may not have played that many meaningful minutes dont play for some games, thats pretty damn good considering what you've been through. Textbook slap on the wrist.

[He_Gawn]

IF he was such a big fan of the program, why are these the ONLY two he's ever sent to IU over his years and years of coaching? The "benefits" are a joke. Hell, he's the LEGAL guardian of Perea while he's in the US. Take away his ex-wifes IU license plates she ordered for her car, there's no violation and both kids can play. Even if Adams had only donated $1 to IU, they'd still be ineligible.

 

Here's the panty dropper... What makes this any different than the Michael Oher (The Blindside) ordeal. Absolutely not a damn thing.

[Rex Hudler]

But he is clearly a fan of the program right and somewhat steered them there? Why 14k in stuff directly to those kids? Just seems strange, like a "handler".

 

I know there has been compliance issues at OSU that as soon as you buy season tickets, individual tickets or donate to a charity they put you on the "no contact" list.

 

He was/is Perea's legal guardian. The stuff was all permissible if he had not donated $185 to IU 20-25 yrs ago. Many kids from his program have gone to other D-I schools. It's not like he funnels all kids to IU.

Edited November 7, 2012 by Rex Hudler

[Rex Hudler]

And let's be honest, if all that happened is two freshman who may not have played that many meaningful minutes dont play for some games, thats pretty damn good considering what you've been through. Textbook slap on the wrist.

 

That's true. I think Perea, if healthy, was expected to provide good depth inside which would allow Zeller to move out to the perimeter more. Zeller will make jump shots this year, not just dunks and two footers. Jurkin, not sure what his role would have been with the depth they have. Might have just been a few minutes a game to disrupt the middle (he's not much of an offensive threat at this point, but has long arms and can block/alter shots).

 

It could actually help. It could help them add another layer to the depth about 1/3 of the way into the season. I don't expect IU to go undefeated so interrupting the flow during the season can be a good thing. It could make them more adaptable come tourney time. It may help them peak closer to tourney time. That said, I think 9 games is a bit much.

Edited November 7, 2012 by Rex Hudler

[kjshoe04]

Thinking about heading to the ISU/Louisville game Dec. 1.

[He_Gawn]

But he is clearly a fan of the program right and somewhat steered them there? Why 14k in stuff directly to those kids? Just seems strange, like a "handler".

 

I know there has been compliance issues at OSU that as soon as you buy season tickets, individual tickets or donate to a charity they put you on the "no contact" list.

 

As stated earlier, all A-HOPE kids get plane tickets and travel money to go home and see their familys in Africa/South America each year, not just Perea and Jurkin. I would guess the appeal will lower the games suspended as the national media is starting to bash the NCAA already.

 

If the ruling is followed by the NCAA in future cases, Wiggins would not be allowed to go to FSU because his parents have given $ to the school and would be considered boosers. Luckily for Purdue, Gary Harris didn't go there according to the NCAA.