Kyyle23 Posted August 3, 2012 Share Posted August 3, 2012 are you guys kidding? Did you see how long Ozzie thought about talking to that umpire? That was fascinating. I think right there Ozzie deciding not to do anything confirms that he is a great manager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iwritecode Posted August 3, 2012 Share Posted August 3, 2012 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Aug 3, 2012 -> 09:19 AM) I would write a long paragraph about how my job confirms that statement, but I'm just not motivated enough to do it right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cali Posted August 3, 2012 Share Posted August 3, 2012 Just flipped on the Marlins/Nats game and wow is the Marlins line up awful outside of Reyes right now. Ozzie just looks miserable whenever they've shown him... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 3, 2012 Share Posted August 3, 2012 JIM BOWDEN @JimBowdenESPNxm Jayson Stark of ESPN reported that Marlins had deal in place to send Carlos Lee to Yankees....but Lee would not waive his no-trade rights Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melissa1334 Posted August 3, 2012 Share Posted August 3, 2012 QUOTE (Cali @ Aug 3, 2012 -> 03:31 PM) Just flipped on the Marlins/Nats game and wow is the Marlins line up awful outside of Reyes right now. Ozzie just looks miserable whenever they've shown him... i thought the same when they showed it on mlb network, reyes third(no power) and lee fourth(old and no power either), terrible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted August 4, 2012 Share Posted August 4, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 3, 2012 -> 03:38 PM) JIM BOWDEN @JimBowdenESPNxm Jayson Stark of ESPN reported that Marlins had deal in place to send Carlos Lee to Yankees....but Lee would not waive his no-trade rights The man is truly dedicated to winning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan49 Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 I wonder if greg still thinks Miami is going to get into the playoffs, but I wouldn't put it past him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 QUOTE (soxfan49 @ Aug 9, 2012 -> 05:15 PM) I wonder if greg still thinks Miami is going to get into the playoffs, but I wouldn't put it past him. I guess I was wrong about the playoffs this year, but I still think Ozzie is a top flight manager. Don't know what will happen in Miami now. I haven't been keeping up with them. Don't know if the owners care or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan49 Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 10, 2012 -> 05:04 PM) I guess I was wrong about the playoffs this year, but I still think Ozzie is a top flight manager. Don't know what will happen in Miami now. I haven't been keeping up with them. Don't know if the owners care or not. You don't know if the owners care? They spent $100 million on Reyes, close to $30M on Bell, close to $60M on Buehrle, and made Ozzie a high paid manager. They're also paying Josh Johnson a lot of money. What more do you want them to do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 QUOTE (soxfan49 @ Aug 10, 2012 -> 05:52 PM) You don't know if the owners care? They spent $100 million on Reyes, close to $30M on Bell, close to $60M on Buehrle, and made Ozzie a high paid manager. They're also paying Josh Johnson a lot of money. What more do you want them to do? I think they were dedicated to winning this year so they could really cash out. The players signed have backloaded contracts. Its going to be hard for Loria to get a premium price when he has 17k a night next season and the payroll only going higher with the talent level only going lower. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan49 Posted August 11, 2012 Share Posted August 11, 2012 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 10, 2012 -> 06:03 PM) I think they were dedicated to winning this year so they could really cash out. The players signed have backloaded contracts. Its going to be hard for Loria to get a premium price when he has 17k a night next season and the payroll only going higher with the talent level only going lower. I can't really tell if you agree with me or not. My point is that the owners signed 3 of the best FA's out there + a "great" manager this winter. What else were they supposed to do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 11, 2012 Share Posted August 11, 2012 QUOTE (soxfan49 @ Aug 10, 2012 -> 09:28 PM) I can't really tell if you agree with me or not. My point is that the owners signed 3 of the best FA's out there + a "great" manager this winter. What else were they supposed to do? Not sell off the good players on a regular basis so that the fan base doesn't trust the ownership group? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted August 11, 2012 Share Posted August 11, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (soxfan49 @ Aug 10, 2012 -> 11:52 PM) You don't know if the owners care? They spent $100 million on Reyes, close to $30M on Bell, close to $60M on Buehrle, and made Ozzie a high paid manager. They're also paying Josh Johnson a lot of money. What more do you want them to do? Yeah but they dumped a lot of salary already. I did read a comical column on the Miami Herald Website today. The president David somebody (Samson?) assessed blame. First to himself (he's the owner's adopted son, he's obviously staying), then to the next 2 top execs, the GM or whomever. They asked the owner's son if the manager or any coaches would be let go and he said that it was up to Loria who was "very upset." The column did mention that Loria deserves a lot of blame cause he personally wanted Heath Bell badly and that was very stupid. I'm assuming he didn't gain all that weight right after signing, but maybe he did. What an overweight dog Heath Bell turned out to be. Like I said in an earlier thread, Ozzie had it great in Chicago compared to Miami even considering his hatred of Kenny and vice versa. How great is it for a manager to not have to have meetings with the owner or GM? And Oz had no meetings with those guys in Chicago or maybe one a year. He and Kenny couldn't be in the same room and Jerry doesn't butt in much from what the media tells us. Now Ozzie has meddlers. Too bad. He's a big boy and makes a lot more money in Miami but it's all nickles and dimes. I'd rather have the noninterference from management and make a few bucks less. Those of you who have rare jobs where you are left alone by the higher-ups know what I mean. I'm thinking Ozzie has been tempted to kick his dog a lot more in Miami than Chicago and it has nothing to do with the loss/win record. Edited August 11, 2012 by greg775 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted August 11, 2012 Share Posted August 11, 2012 Buehrle is in his patented stretch of crappy starts. Last 5 starts... 6.84 ERA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 11, 2012 Share Posted August 11, 2012 QUOTE (flavum @ Aug 11, 2012 -> 03:43 AM) Buehrle is in his patented stretch of crappy starts. Last 5 starts... 6.84 ERA He has some pretty big pre/post ASB splits in his career Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted August 11, 2012 Share Posted August 11, 2012 QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 10, 2012 -> 11:20 PM) He has some pretty big pre/post ASB splits in his career His career splits are 3.58 pre, and 4.12 post. Over a 12 year career, that's a big difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan49 Posted August 11, 2012 Share Posted August 11, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 10, 2012 -> 09:47 PM) Not sell off the good players on a regular basis so that the fan base doesn't trust the ownership group? He traded Ramirez and Choate. He's kept Reyes, Buehrle, Bell, and Johnson. I wouldn't say he's sold "good players" off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 QUOTE (soxfan49 @ Aug 11, 2012 -> 01:19 PM) He traded Ramirez and Choate. He's kept Reyes, Buehrle, Bell, and Johnson. I wouldn't say he's sold "good players" off. You lost me when you said Hanley Ramirez wasn't a good player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan49 Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 12, 2012 -> 07:38 PM) You lost me when you said Hanley Ramirez wasn't a good player. You lost me when you thought I said Hanley Ramirez wasn't good. Hanley Ramirez is one...singular. You said players...plural. Who are these other good players that Loria and company have sold off? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 QUOTE (soxfan49 @ Aug 12, 2012 -> 09:24 PM) You lost me when you thought I said Hanley Ramirez wasn't good. Hanley Ramirez is one...singular. You said players...plural. Who are these other good players that Loria and company have sold off? Obvious you know nothing about the Marlins history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan49 Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 12, 2012 -> 09:41 PM) Obvious you know nothing about the Marlins history. Are you serious? We're talking about this year's team and what the owners have done this year. I don't care what they did 7 or 8 years ago with Miguel Cabrera, Dontrelle Willis, Pudge, etc. This year, they signed 3 big time FA's and held onto Josh Johnson. I wouldn't say that's selling off the good players in 2012. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 QUOTE (soxfan49 @ Aug 13, 2012 -> 10:18 PM) Are you serious? We're talking about this year's team and what the owners have done this year. I don't care what they did 7 or 8 years ago with Miguel Cabrera, Dontrelle Willis, Pudge, etc. This year, they signed 3 big time FA's and held onto Josh Johnson. I wouldn't say that's selling off the good players in 2012. Their history is absolutely relevant to their modern team. How can you possibly separate the two? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 QUOTE (soxfan49 @ Aug 13, 2012 -> 11:18 PM) Are you serious? We're talking about this year's team and what the owners have done this year. I don't care what they did 7 or 8 years ago with Miguel Cabrera, Dontrelle Willis, Pudge, etc. This year, they signed 3 big time FA's and held onto Josh Johnson. I wouldn't say that's selling off the good players in 2012. Without another big spending splurge, can you convince me that team has any real shot at being better next year than it was this year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 14, 2012 -> 08:02 AM) Without another big spending splurge, can you convince me that team has any real shot at being better next year than it was this year? I disagree...they can certainly turn things around and compete. A lot of people not particularly familiar with the White Sox organization would have said the same thing about us coming into this year. Heck, a lot of people that are very familiar with the White Sox organization said that this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 QUOTE (iamshack @ Aug 14, 2012 -> 09:30 AM) I disagree...they can certainly turn things around and compete. A lot of people not particularly familiar with the White Sox organization would have said the same thing about us coming into this year. Heck, a lot of people that are very familiar with the White Sox organization said that this year. They have a ton of talent. They just don't have a manager that can always get the most of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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