caulfield12 Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (GreatScott82 @ Jul 19, 2012 -> 07:40 AM) I think from 2004-2008 Ozzie did a great job as a manager of this ballclab. Two division championships and a W.S. title. From 2009-2011 it turned into this "Ozzie Guillen" show all of a sudden. His family would be tweeting terrible things about this ballclub and Ozzie would defend his children. The fact that he started bringing up a contract extension in the middle of last season (when they were only 4 games back) really pissed me off. His team pretty much underachieved the last 3 seasons and he wanted an extension. Ozzie started caring more about Ozzie and less about the team and that W.S. title officially went to his head which is very very sad. Ozzie is an excellent situational manager. However, he is NOT a good teacher of the game. He is never one to help out a slumping veteran or groom a young player. Makes me wonder why they even needed Omar Vizquel to help "teach" Alexie Ramirez play SS. Didn't Ozzie play SS his whole career? Ozzie is terrible at teaching, coaching and mentoring the younger players. I could not stand his mind set of "If they are in the big leagues, they dont need to be taught" mind set. From what i have seen thusfar, Robin is doing a great job with the veterans who slumped last year ( it helps having a calm demeanor) AND he is doing a great job with a very, very young bullpen AND he really brought the team together this year. Its pretty cool seeing Dunn hug Viciedo after he hits a HR and vice versa. This team looks loose and they are fun to watch. I haven't seen a team this relaxed since the 2005 season. We'll always be left with "what if's" from the Ozzie Era. What if CQ didn't break his hamate bone in anger in 2008? What if we kept Thome for 2010? What if we hadn't traded for Mackowiak in 2006? What if everyone had stayed healthy in 2004? What if we signed Victor Martinez instead of Dunn? What if we started out the year with anyone but Thornton as the closer? If we benched Pierre for Dayan when Viciedo was tearing up the IL? Things would seem a lot worse if not for the coin flip/Danks/Thome black-out game miracle. Looking back, it's still hard to believe Minnesota collapsed there at the end the way they did. Having watched the Twins 2001-2004, 2006...it didn't seem possible. Edited July 19, 2012 by caulfield12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatScott82 Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 19, 2012 -> 08:11 AM) We'll always be left with "what if's" from the Ozzie Era. What if CQ didn't break his hamate bone in anger in 2008? What if we kept Thome for 2010? What if we hadn't traded for Mackowiak in 2006? What if everyone had stayed healthy in 2004? What if we signed Victor Martinez instead of Dunn? What if we started out the year with anyone but Thornton as the closer? If we benched Pierre for Dayan when Viciedo was tearing up the IL? Things would seem a lot worse if not for the coin flip/Danks/Thome black-out game miracle. Looking back, it's still hard to believe Minnesota collapsed there at the end the way they did. Having watched the Twins 2001-2004, 2006...it didn't seem possible. Yeah the Twins pretty much dominated the central in the 2000's. They won the division in 02, 03, 04, 06, 09, and 10.Its kind of funny that out of all 6 of those AL central titles, the Twins only have made it past the first round once! I believe the 2003 white sox team had the best chance at taking them down. Finally in 2005 we never gave them a chance at coming back and winning the division. Then of course that 2008 blackout game- AWESOME! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chetkincaid Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Anyone want Clayton Richard? He's supposedly on the White Sox radar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joxer_Daly Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 How are people feeling ahead of the game tonight? I don't see a dedicated thread for it. Would be great to get the split before butting heads with Detroit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 19, 2012 Author Share Posted July 19, 2012 Daryl Van Schouwen @CST_soxvan Sox-Tigers Fri-Sun: Peavy 7-6, 3.12 vs Verlander 10-5, 2.43, Sale 11-2, 2.11 vs Porcello 6-5, 4.66, Humber 4-4, 5.77 vs Turner 0-1, 10.29 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 QUOTE (Joxer_Daly @ Jul 19, 2012 -> 10:25 AM) How are people feeling ahead of the game tonight? I don't see a dedicated thread for it. Would be great to get the split before butting heads with Detroit. Make a thread! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 19, 2012 -> 09:35 AM) Daryl Van Schouwen @CST_soxvan Sox-Tigers Fri-Sun: Peavy 7-6, 3.12 vs Verlander 10-5, 2.43, Sale 11-2, 2.11 vs Porcello 6-5, 4.66, Humber 4-4, 5.77 vs Turner 0-1, 10.29 Unlike this Red Sox series, we have a clear advantage (on paper) in two of the match-ups at least. Well, maybe not, who knows what to make of the Sunday game. With a rookie who just got battered, pitching in the rubber game of the biggest series of the year for both teams, I'd give the advantage to the veteran, but I would guess the Las Vegas oddsmakers wouldn't have a clue either other than to look at DET being on fire and the fact that they're at home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joxer_Daly Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 QUOTE (knightni @ Jul 19, 2012 -> 03:38 PM) Make a thread! Done! Was just giving it the 'shy newbie' act. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 19, 2012 -> 09:52 AM) Unlike this Red Sox series, we have a clear advantage (on paper) in two of the match-ups at least. Well, maybe not, who knows what to make of the Sunday game. With a rookie who just got battered, pitching in the rubber game of the biggest series of the year for both teams, I'd give the advantage to the veteran, but I would guess the Las Vegas oddsmakers wouldn't have a clue either other than to look at DET being on fire and the fact that they're at home. Hmmm, Detroit is 4-2 out of the break, Sox are 3-3 Last 10, Sox are 6-4, Detroit is 7-3. So, how exactly is Detroit on fire? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOXOBAMA Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 I'm glad that Crain is coming back on sat.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 QUOTE (SOXOBAMA @ Jul 19, 2012 -> 10:23 AM) I'm glad that Crain is coming back on sat.. As long as he doesn't face Cabrera, Fielder or Victor Martinez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jul 19, 2012 -> 09:57 AM) Hmmm, Detroit is 4-2 out of the break, Sox are 3-3 Last 10, Sox are 6-4, Detroit is 7-3. So, how exactly is Detroit on fire? 9-2 I think that's pretty close to being "on fire" They won 6 in a row before that amazing extra inning game against BALT. You can argue Minnesota and KC suck, sure, but the Angels don't. 82 82 Wednesday, Jul 4 boxscore DET MIN W 5 1 40-42 3 4.5 Verlander Duensing 2:33 N 41,023 + 83 83 Thursday, Jul 5 boxscore DET MIN W 7 3 41-42 3 4.5 Dotel Burnett 2:59 D 33,350 ++ 84 84 Friday, Jul 6 boxscore DET KCR W 4 2 42-42 3 4.5 Smyly Sanchez Valverde 2:56 N 39,144 +++ 85 85 Saturday, Jul 7 boxscore DET KCR W 8 7 43-42 3 4.5 Fister Chen 3:00 D 39,392 ++++ 86 86 Sunday, Jul 8 boxscore DET KCR W 7 1 44-42 3 3.5 Scherzer Teaford 2:41 D 36,693 +++++ 87 87 Friday, Jul 13 boxscore DET @ BAL W 7 2 45-42 3 3.5 Fister Hammel 3:00 N 35,566 ++++++ 88 88 Saturday, Jul 14 boxscore DET @ BAL L 6 8 13 45-43 3 3.5 Gregg Benoit 4:43 D 43,215 - 89 89 Sunday, Jul 15 boxscore DET @ BAL W 4 0 46-43 2 3.5 Verlander Gonzalez 3:00 D 30,439 + 90 90 Monday, Jul 16 boxscore DET LAA W 8 6 47-43 2 2.5 Dotel Hawkins Valverde 3:08 N 36,806 ++ 91 91 Tuesday, Jul 17 boxscore DET LAA L 0 13 47-44 2 3.5 Richards Turner 3:09 N 33,950 - 92 92 Wednesday, Jul 18 boxscore DET LAA W 7 2 48-44 2 2.5 Fister Wilson 2:28 N 37,915 + Edited July 19, 2012 by caulfield12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 19, 2012 -> 11:15 AM) As long as he doesn't face Cabrera, Fielder or Victor Martinez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jul 19, 2012 -> 12:19 PM) When Name Dropping Fails 101 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 19, 2012 -> 11:18 AM) 9-2 I think that's pretty close to being "on fire" They won 6 in a row before that amazing extra inning game against BALT. You can argue Minnesota and KC suck, sure, but the Angels don't. 82 82 Wednesday, Jul 4 boxscore DET MIN W 5 1 40-42 3 4.5 Verlander Duensing 2:33 N 41,023 + 83 83 Thursday, Jul 5 boxscore DET MIN W 7 3 41-42 3 4.5 Dotel Burnett 2:59 D 33,350 ++ 84 84 Friday, Jul 6 boxscore DET KCR W 4 2 42-42 3 4.5 Smyly Sanchez Valverde 2:56 N 39,144 +++ 85 85 Saturday, Jul 7 boxscore DET KCR W 8 7 43-42 3 4.5 Fister Chen 3:00 D 39,392 ++++ 86 86 Sunday, Jul 8 boxscore DET KCR W 7 1 44-42 3 3.5 Scherzer Teaford 2:41 D 36,693 +++++ 87 87 Friday, Jul 13 boxscore DET @ BAL W 7 2 45-42 3 3.5 Fister Hammel 3:00 N 35,566 ++++++ 88 88 Saturday, Jul 14 boxscore DET @ BAL L 6 8 13 45-43 3 3.5 Gregg Benoit 4:43 D 43,215 - 89 89 Sunday, Jul 15 boxscore DET @ BAL W 4 0 46-43 2 3.5 Verlander Gonzalez 3:00 D 30,439 + 90 90 Monday, Jul 16 boxscore DET LAA W 8 6 47-43 2 2.5 Dotel Hawkins Valverde 3:08 N 36,806 ++ 91 91 Tuesday, Jul 17 boxscore DET LAA L 0 13 47-44 2 3.5 Richards Turner 3:09 N 33,950 - 92 92 Wednesday, Jul 18 boxscore DET LAA W 7 2 48-44 2 2.5 Fister Wilson 2:28 N 37,915 + I love when you just mix and match your time frames to suit your arguments Did you know the Sox and Tigers are both 12-7 over their last 19? Amazing! They are both on fire! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jul 19, 2012 -> 11:40 AM) I love when you just mix and match your time frames to suit your arguments Did you know the Sox and Tigers are both 12-7 over their last 19? Amazing! They are both on fire! Weren't you the one that said the Tigers were 7-3 in the last 10, when they'll clearly 8-2, and 9-2 over the last 11? I think that was his point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 QUOTE (flavum @ Jul 19, 2012 -> 11:45 AM) Weren't you the one that said the Tigers were 7-3 in the last 10, when they'll clearly 8-2, and 9-2 over the last 11? I think that was his point. I miscounted flipping back and forth from the 1st and second half on the ESPN page, i admit that. But Caulfield loves his 11 game game counts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jul 19, 2012 -> 11:49 AM) I miscounted flipping back and forth from the 1st and second half on the ESPN page, i admit that. But Caulfield loves his 11 game game counts The yahoo standings gives you last 10 record if you don't want too count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 QUOTE (GoodAsGould @ Jul 19, 2012 -> 11:55 AM) The yahoo standings gives you last 10 record if you don't want too count. I was looking for last 18 or 23. Nobody seems to have that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 (edited) 10-2 There's a 12 game count. But apparently that STILL doesn't qualify as hot. As far as Victor Martinez does, didn't he rip Crain to shreds last year? Or was that Cabrera who torched him? Or both? Yes, I realize he's STILL out and PROBABLY won't play this season, thanks for your concern, and likewise, thanks in advance for your time and consideration. I'm starting to think a certain poster (with a Puckett-esque 34 in his name) has a brother or cousin. Because I'm getting attacked or accused for being correct, but it's good debate style I guess. Edited July 19, 2012 by caulfield12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jul 19, 2012 -> 10:56 AM) I was looking for last 18 or 23. Nobody seems to have that Seriously? Please go ahead and roll off three random obscure White Sox names. Go ahead. If it will make you feel better, by all means, go ahead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 19, 2012 -> 01:54 PM) Seriously? Please go ahead and roll off three random obscure White Sox names. Go ahead. If it will make you feel better, by all means, go ahead. I will defer to the master of that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 QUOTE (GreatScott82 @ Jul 19, 2012 -> 12:40 PM) I think from 2004-2008 Ozzie did a great job as a manager of this ballclab. Two division championships and a W.S. title. From 2009-2011 it turned into this "Ozzie Guillen" show all of a sudden. His family would be tweeting terrible things about this ballclub and Ozzie would defend his children. The fact that he started bringing up a contract extension in the middle of last season (when they were only 4 games back) really pissed me off. His team pretty much underachieved the last 3 seasons and he wanted an extension. Ozzie started caring more about Ozzie and less about the team and that W.S. title officially went to his head which is very very sad. Ozzie is an excellent situational manager. However, he is NOT a good teacher of the game. He is never one to help out a slumping veteran or groom a young player. Makes me wonder why they even needed Omar Vizquel to help "teach" Alexie Ramirez play SS. Didn't Ozzie play SS his whole career? Ozzie is terrible at teaching, coaching and mentoring the younger players. I could not stand his mind set of "If they are in the big leagues, they dont need to be taught" mind set. From what i have seen thusfar, Robin is doing a great job with the veterans who slumped last year ( it helps having a calm demeanor) AND he is doing a great job with a very, very young bullpen AND he really brought the team together this year. Its pretty cool seeing Dunn hug Viciedo after he hits a HR and vice versa. This team looks loose and they are fun to watch. I haven't seen a team this relaxed since the 2005 season. Good post. I disagree with some of it, but you worded this so well, no reason to debate. QUOTE (Chet Kincaid @ Jul 19, 2012 -> 01:42 PM) Anyone want Clayton Richard? He's supposedly on the White Sox radar. Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clyons Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 I just noticed that both the Sox and Cubs are on the road this weekend. Seems weird that there will be no baseball in Chicago over a mid-Summer weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Guess who's on twitter guys... HI! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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