2nd_city_saint787 Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 QUOTE (oldsox @ Sep 1, 2012 -> 11:20 AM) Sox are still ahead of Detroit, but we are chasing them and are not going to catch them. Fishing season eh? Throwin out bait... We will at the very least be tied after this series, and we saw what the Tiggers did last time they got the lead. It's a whole new season at that point, we just have to win one more game than they do. It's as simple as that. There's one more game tomorrow, a HUGE game, after that game either they're still chasing us, or it's an even race. Oh and. BTW I felt kinda lame after I found out that meme is from lord of the rings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 QUOTE (2nd_city_saint787 @ Sep 1, 2012 -> 10:24 PM) BTW I felt kinda lame after I found out that meme is from lord of the rings. ...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Sep 1, 2012 -> 06:05 PM) They should be. They added Fielder and are in 2nd place to a bunch of kids. Plus most of their team can't catch a baseball. Sale, Viciedo, Quintana and Reed. The rest of our key contributors are 28+. The core of Youk, Dunn, AJ, Rios, Wise and Konerko are all 30+ veterans. So is Alexei. Beckham's near the end of his rope with the Sox. I guess if you want to count the likes of Flowers, Nathan Jones and DeAza as "a bunch of kids." Except for all the rookies in the bullpen, we're a very VETERAN team, all things considered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Sep 1, 2012 -> 11:40 PM) Sale, Viciedo, Quintana and Reed. The rest of our key contributors are 28+. The core of Youk, Dunn, AJ, Rios, Wise and Konerko are all 30+ veterans. So is Alexei. Beckham's near the end of his rope with the Sox. I guess if you want to count the likes of Flowers, Nathan Jones and DeAza as "a bunch of kids." Except for all the rookies in the bullpen, we're a very VETERAN team, all things considered. It's the pitching staff I refer to as a bunch of kids and the others according to years of experience. Interesting how the fan base has more confidence in Sale and Quintana than the other starters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 1, 2012 -> 07:35 PM) I swear sox fans have to be the most miserable out there. I think I'm still pissed we let Buehrle go. Who do the Sox need right now??? Mark Buehrle, that's who. He's a legit big-game pitcher. He's just what this staff needed. Cheapskate ownership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Sep 2, 2012 -> 12:06 AM) It's the pitching staff I refer to as a bunch of kids and the others according to years of experience. Interesting how the fan base has more confidence in Sale and Quintana than the other starters. Except for those who think he should be shut down soon or rested and is quickly fading...both guys, but especially Quintana. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 2, 2012 -> 01:48 AM) I think I'm still pissed we let Buehrle go. Who do the Sox need right now??? Mark Buehrle, that's who. He's a legit big-game pitcher. He's just what this staff needed. Cheapskate ownership. But he usually has faded in the 2nd half, too... They're not cheap, or they wouldn't have added Youkilis, Myers and Liriano. No MLB team added more talent in June/July. We can revisit the Danks/Buehrle situation over and over and over again, but Mark was a big part of all those failures in 2006, 2007, 2009, 2010 and 2011...at the end of the year, we're not going to feel we would have beaten the Tigers had we signed MB, because JR would never in a million years have signed off on that crazy contract Loria gave him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 2, 2012 -> 02:48 AM) I think I'm still pissed we let Buehrle go. Who do the Sox need right now??? Mark Buehrle, that's who. He's a legit big-game pitcher. He's just what this staff needed. Cheapskate ownership. Greg they need the hitters to stand up and score runs. So unless Mark is going to hit as well it doesn't matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul R Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 I thought (and it still could be) the Liriano pickup was genius by Kenny, but I have a hard time seeing the Sox invest too much $$ in him this offseason, with his performance. His control has been downright awful. I hope that he decides to dominate the rest of his starts, but we'll see. I guess I'm just disappointed, it didn't seem that his control was THIS bad, but I only watched him against us and we have a habit of making even minor league lefties look like all-stars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 2, 2012 -> 01:48 AM) I think I'm still pissed we let Buehrle go. Who do the Sox need right now??? Mark Buehrle, that's who. He's a legit big-game pitcher. He's just what this staff needed. Cheapskate ownership. You gotta be kidding. Yeah, the Marlins sure showed the world how smart they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedoctor Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 2, 2012 -> 07:48 AM) I think I'm still pissed we let Buehrle go. Who do the Sox need right now??? Mark Buehrle, that's who. He's a legit big-game pitcher. He's just what this staff needed. Cheapskate ownership. buehrle is one of my all-time favorite sox but there is no way they should have paid what the marlins did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Sep 2, 2012 -> 03:22 AM) Except for those who think he should be shut down soon or rested and is quickly fading...both guys, but especially Quintana. Sale had one bad game and just dominated the Yankees the start before that. People overreact big time when it comes to Chris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Sep 2, 2012 -> 12:18 PM) Sale had one bad game and just dominated the Yankees the start before that. People overreact big time when it comes to Chris. He's only been just as good, if not better, than scrubs like David Price, CC AND Cliff Lee. Jake Peavy has been better than a couple of other scrubs named Hamels and Cain. But the Sox somehow only have half an ace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Sep 2, 2012 -> 12:18 PM) Sale had one bad game and just dominated the Yankees the start before that. People overreact big time when it comes to Chris. Sale has had 2 or 3 bad starts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Sep 2, 2012 -> 12:52 PM) Sale has had 2 or 3 bad starts. Not really. Unless you're going back to late July. Sale sucked in his last start. No argument there. But he's been either filthy or given us a chance to win since Aug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Sep 2, 2012 -> 05:37 PM) He's only been just as good, if not better, than scrubs like David Price, CC AND Cliff Lee. Jake Peavy has been better than a couple of other scrubs named Hamels and Cain. But the Sox somehow only have half an ace. Here's the numbers for all those guys since the ASB: Cain: 3.21 ERA, 1.14 WHIP, .249 BAA Hamels: 2.58 ERA, 1.16 WHIP, .241 BAA Lee: 2.90 ERA, 1.09 WHIP, .260 BAA Price: 2.02 ERA, .93 WHIP, .202 BAA Peavy: 4.13 ERA, 1.36 WHIP, .282 BAA Sale: 3.98 ERA, 1.27 WHIP, .266 BAA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Sep 2, 2012 -> 11:37 AM) He's only been just as good, if not better, than scrubs like David Price, CC AND Cliff Lee. Jake Peavy has been better than a couple of other scrubs named Hamels and Cain. But the Sox somehow only have half an ace. You're telling me Jake Peavy has pitched really well recently, particularly against the Tigers this year? He's spit the bit at least 3 times, that I can remember. One was the infamous 5 or 6-0 lead that quickly fell apart in one inning thanks to Jake and Ohman. Yes, compared to Verlander and Scherzer, 1/2 to 2. If Sale goes out and dominates in a game we absolutely need to change the momentum, Verlander wets the bed again AT HOME on national t.v., like he did against the Royals last time out, then I'll definitely give him his props. Caesar might be the only one betting on the White Sox to win this game... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 QUOTE (oldsox @ Sep 2, 2012 -> 04:20 PM) You gotta be kidding. Yeah, the Marlins sure showed the world how smart they are. I'm not kidding; he'd be PERFECT for this staff and missing a guy like Mark is a big reason we prolly won't beat out Detroit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 2, 2012 -> 06:27 PM) I'm not kidding; he'd be PERFECT for this staff and missing a guy like Mark is a big reason we prolly won't beat out Detroit. 3.77 ERA on the year in a gigantic pitcher's park. When you add in all the lefties on our staff, I'd say Buehrle is far from a perfect fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 He's about as good a fit as Brett Myers at $10 million next year for the Sox or Morel coming into the season as the starter at 3B. Flowers at C, I guess we might have no choice but to live with that one. Thinking about the possibility of not making the playoffs for the first time, it's hard to take away anything from this season...and 2011 was the most disappointing year in memory, not sure how we'll feel about the off-season until it gets here. Somehow, another late season fade and then losing Peavy, AJ and Youk might be harder to deal with than the feelings coming into 2012 because we were in first place for so long. Then you're looking at the definite probability of the Tigers being better (Martinez back, Scherzer coming into his own, Alburquerque back too) and the Sox taking 1-2 steps back. Still, the improvements from Thompson, the draft of Hawkins...the situation is more optimistic than last off-season at least. Maybe Cooper needs to part ways with Floyd and move on...and Thornton, as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 And Buehrle gave up a 5-spot in the 1st inning to the Mets today, so yeah.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 FWIW, Liriano has a 4.54 ERA with the White Sox this season. No Edwin Jackson, but he's kept the Sox in nearly every game out of his 7 starts, except for 1. At some point, the White Sox offense needs to show up to the party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 Twins series: M: Deduno vs Santiago T: Diamond vs Quintana W: Walters vs Peavy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Sep 2, 2012 -> 12:53 PM) He's about as good a fit as Brett Myers at $10 million next year for the Sox or Morel coming into the season as the starter at 3B. Flowers at C, I guess we might have no choice but to live with that one. Thinking about the possibility of not making the playoffs for the first time, it's hard to take away anything from this season...and 2011 was the most disappointing year in memory, not sure how we'll feel about the off-season until it gets here. Somehow, another late season fade and then losing Peavy, AJ and Youk might be harder to deal with than the feelings coming into 2012 because we were in first place for so long. Then you're looking at the definite probability of the Tigers being better (Martinez back, Scherzer coming into his own, Alburquerque back too) and the Sox taking 1-2 steps back. Still, the improvements from Thompson, the draft of Hawkins...the situation is more optimistic than last off-season at least. Maybe Cooper needs to part ways with Floyd and move on...and Thornton, as well. I could see Liriano as his replacement. Maybe he'll be Coop's next Contreras. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Sep 2, 2012 -> 01:53 PM) Still, the improvements from Thompson, the draft of Hawkins...the situation is more optimistic than last off-season at least. I disagree. John Danks is potenially a huge problem as is the varying degrees of lack of development of Morel, Beckham, and Viciedo. It has not been a good year for the development side of the organization. Sale has been a huge success, but everything with him depends on that touchy elbow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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