caulfield12 Posted April 5, 2012 Share Posted April 5, 2012 (edited) CF Chris Young RF Ryan Sweeney 1B Carlos Lee LF Michael Morse DH B.Allen/C.Carter 3B Josh Fields (yikes)/Joe Crede (haha) C Humberto Quintero/Miguel Olivo (if you can count Miguel for us and not the A's) 2B Chris Getz SS ??? Bench: Magglio Ordonez, Mike Cameron (now retired), Aaron Rowand, Aaron Cunningham Rotation is one of the strong points Daniel Hudson Gio Gonzalez Mark Buehrle Brandon McCarthy (#1 for the A's) Clayton Richard Bullpen, no obvious closer, so I'll claim Sergio Santos Santos Matt Guerrier Jon Rauch Faustino DeLosSantos Lucas Harrell Boone Logan Ely/D. Cortes Brian Anderson (joking) Seemingly, it would be a pretty even battle with our current team, although our current infield has a huge advantage with Alexei Ramirez and Morel at 3B. Obviously, we haven't done a great job developing infielders and catchers. Overall, offensively, we wouldn't be bad at all 1-5 or 1-6 if you include Miguel Olivo as our prospect. With the youth in the rotation, probably a lot more upside with this version. Bullpens are similar, if you count Santos. Edited April 5, 2012 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 5, 2012 Share Posted April 5, 2012 The only decent part of that team is the starting rotation. The rest of it is awful. As a group they'd be fighting with Houston for the first pick in the draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted April 5, 2012 Share Posted April 5, 2012 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Apr 5, 2012 -> 02:28 PM) CF Chris Young RF Ryan Sweeney 1B Carlos Lee LF Michael Morse DH B.Allen/C.Carter 3B Josh Fields (yikes)/Joe Crede (haha) C Humberto Quintero/Miguel Olivo (if you can count Miguel for us and not the A's) 2B Chris Getz SS ??? Bench: Magglio Ordonez, Mike Cameron (now retired), Aaron Rowand This would compete for the worst lineup in the majors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 5, 2012 Author Share Posted April 5, 2012 Offensively, though, those guys would have done better than our team last year even without a 3B and SS. Or just sticking Carlos Lee at 3B and Brandon Allen at 1st. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 5, 2012 Author Share Posted April 5, 2012 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Apr 5, 2012 -> 02:36 PM) This would compete for the worst lineup in the majors. Worse than the Mariners, A's or Padres? Surely, they would be better than the Orioles, solely based on their starting rotation and bullpen. The Twins, if Mauer and Morneau aren't healthy, would have a hard time topping that line-up as well, since they've lost Young/Kubel/Cuddyer in the last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted April 5, 2012 Share Posted April 5, 2012 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Apr 5, 2012 -> 02:39 PM) Worse than the Mariners, A's or Padres? Surely, they would be better than the Orioles, solely based on their starting rotation and bullpen. The Twins, if Mauer and Morneau aren't healthy, would have a hard time topping that line-up as well, since they've lost Young/Kubel/Cuddyer in the last year. All you have offensively is Morse, Young, & a washed up Caballo. Allen & Sweeney don't provide anything special, all Getz can do is steal but not get on base. Catcher is OK I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 5, 2012 Author Share Posted April 5, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Apr 5, 2012 -> 01:44 PM) All you have offensively is Morse, Young, & a washed up Caballo. Allen & Sweeney don't provide anything special, all Getz can do is steal but not get on base. Catcher is OK I guess. .275, 18 homers, 94 RBI's would have made him our 2nd most effective hitter after Konerko, if you consider Quentin's health issues/inconsistency and defensive problems in RF. But that would be paying Carlos Lee $19 million to put up a .788 OPS at 1B, which wouldn't have been league average. But other than Konerko, Ramirez, Quentin and maybe AJ Pierzynski, we weren't getting league average offensive performance from any positions, and 3 of those guys are quite limited defensively. Ryan Sweeney says hello. He just cost Justin Verlander his first win of the season, and broke Papa Grande's string of 49 consecutive saves from 2011 right off the bat, with a two-out, RBI triple. Valverde's lucky, because the following batter lined out right at an infielder or they would have been in jeopardy of completely blowing the game. Two hits for Sweeney, one of the few off Verlander. Edited April 5, 2012 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigEdWalsh Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 SS either Wilson Valdez or Omar Vizquel. Either way doesn't help that offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 6, 2012 Author Share Posted April 6, 2012 For the purposes of this exercise, just players who started out with the White Sox organization (drafted or international free agent). That eliminates Omar Vizquel. Wilson Valdez would have to play there. Maybe we'd have to use Aaron Miles in the middle infield, but neither Getz nor Miles should be anywhere near SS. Including Olivo and Sergio Santos (since we really cultivated him as a pitcher, whereas the D-Backs drafted him in the first round originally as a shortstop). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 Thank you, I threw up my breakfast thinking about our drafts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 6, 2012 Author Share Posted April 6, 2012 Well, the fact that we're pretty clearly one of the perennial 5 worst teams in terms of drafted talent...but have a top 5 record in baseball for most stretches of the 90's through today, says something about the jobs that our GM's have done during that time stretch, particularly the last 10-12 years. It's not like we can say the $100+ million payrolls from 2006-2011 really were primary reasons we had winning teams, although that also certainly hasn't hurt, either. We've just not allocated our money as efficiently ever since 2005. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted April 7, 2012 Share Posted April 7, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 5, 2012 -> 02:33 PM) The only decent part of that team is the starting rotation. The rest of it is awful. As a group they'd be fighting with Houston for the first pick in the draft. Without a doubt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 7, 2012 Share Posted April 7, 2012 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Apr 6, 2012 -> 11:58 AM) Well, the fact that we're pretty clearly one of the perennial 5 worst teams in terms of drafted talent...but have a top 5 record in baseball for most stretches of the 90's through today, says something about the jobs that our GM's have done during that time stretch, particularly the last 10-12 years. It's not like we can say the $100+ million payrolls from 2006-2011 really were primary reasons we had winning teams, although that also certainly hasn't hurt, either. We've just not allocated our money as efficiently ever since 2005. To be fair the team looks a lot better if you include the guys we still have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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