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QUOTE (Capn12 @ Apr 11, 2012 -> 11:26 AM)
Wasted opportunity with bases loaded, one out...and back to back K's.

pretty sure the indians have done the same in two innings so far - lets take what we can get

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QUOTE (Reddy @ Apr 11, 2012 -> 01:23 PM)
you would take Bruce f*cking Chen over Peavy? Max (I gave up 7 runs in 2 innings) Scherzer? Rick (I can't strike a guy out to save my life) Porcello? Fransisco (5+ era) Liriano? good lord man.

 

you know BP has projected a low 3's era for Peavy this year right? I think they know more about projecting pitchers than we do.

Yeah, I'd take Francisco Liriano of the 5+ ERA last year over Jake Peavy of the 4.92 ERA and 25 fewer innings (which isn't much at all).

 

BP might have projected him for a low 3's ERA, but he's not going to get there and anyone who watched him so far knows that. A low 3's ERA pitcher is an overpowering pitcher. Jake Peavy is not an overpowering pitcher, with either stuff or control.

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QUOTE (Reddy @ Apr 11, 2012 -> 11:08 AM)
dear god Viciedo that was pathetic

I didn't know he was that bad in LF. Can't play him every day if that is typical. Even Dunn would have caught that one.

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QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 11, 2012 -> 12:27 PM)
South Side Sox ‏ @SouthSideSox

Konerko's single is just the fourth hit on a 3-0 count over the last four years for the White Sox.

 

Really. I find that hard to believe. Really? 4 years only 4 hits on 3-0?

 

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QUOTE (Reddy @ Apr 11, 2012 -> 01:26 PM)
John Danks BABIP last year? .313

 

John Danks BABIP career? .289

 

he was unlucky in all aspects last year.

So, Danks was unlucky by an incredibly small amount compared to the rest of his career, and the rest of his career was slightly lucky compared to league average?

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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 11, 2012 -> 11:29 AM)
Yeah, I'd take Francisco Liriano of the 5+ ERA last year over Jake Peavy of the 4.92 ERA and 25 fewer innings (which isn't much at all).

 

BP might have projected him for a low 3's ERA, but he's not going to get there and anyone who watched him so far knows that. A low 3's ERA pitcher is an overpowering pitcher. Jake Peavy is not an overpowering pitcher, with either stuff or control.

 

I thought you said Humber was bad - pretty sure he had a 3's ERA last year.

 

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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 11, 2012 -> 11:30 AM)
So, Danks was unlucky by an incredibly small amount compared to the rest of his career, and the rest of his career was slightly lucky compared to league average?

25 points? that's pretty significant...

 

is a .275 BA worse than a .300 BA?

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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 11, 2012 -> 01:22 PM)
Danks was unlucky last year, in terms of getting "Wins", that useless stat. He was pretty regularly Danks the rest of the year.

xFIP: 3.79

 

Also, as recently as the middle of last year he had a stretch of pure dominance. Even with a full year of poor numbers, it would be hard to declare with any confidence that Danks is "steadily declining", let alone with a very recent stretch of greatness.

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QUOTE (Reddy @ Apr 11, 2012 -> 01:31 PM)
I thought you said Humber was bad - pretty sure he had a 3's ERA last year.

I did not say that and now you're not paying attention to what I said.

 

If people are trying to say our rotation is "Rock solid" based on what some guys did in 1 year and what other guys did 3 years ago, then you have to give similar leeway to the other rotations in this division.

 

You cannot tell me that you'd call Philip Humber "Reliable", "Rock Solid", or "Dependable" coming in to this year. He had an incredible run last year before tiring out. But if you're asking why people would project this team to be a weak team, that rotation has a bunch of question marks in it. We could get them all answered positively and be in excellent shape this year and next year.

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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 11, 2012 -> 11:34 AM)
I did not say that and now you're not paying attention to what I said.

 

If people are trying to say our rotation is "Rock solid" based on what some guys did in 1 year and what other guys did 3 years ago, then you have to give similar leeway to the other rotations in this division.

 

You cannot tell me that you'd call Philip Humber "Reliable", "Rock Solid", or "Dependable" coming in to this year. He had an incredible run last year before tiring out. But if you're asking why people would project this team to be a weak team, that rotation has a bunch of question marks in it. We could get them all answered positively and be in excellent shape this year and next year.

I didn't say that either. you called Humber a guy who couldn't even break KC's 25-man. I'm simply saying I'd take him over any other 5th starter in the division.

 

also - what's this 3 years ago thing? Danks and Floyd have had consistent success. If you're referring to Peavy - I think he might have had some injury... i don't remember.

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