shakes Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (LVSoxFan @ Apr 17, 2012 -> 04:00 PM) What exactly is he not doing now that he was doing when he was successful? The thing I hear repeatedly is "long swing." He has zero pitch recognition, nor any idea of what the strike zone is. I'm not sure his swing is much longer than it ever was, but when he was successful, he had a great grasp on the zone and rarely swung at bad pitches. He is just guessing up there and looks like he is making feeble attempts to foul a ball off instead of drive it. And it seems he is always looking breaking ball, because fastballs right down the middle go by him with out any issue. If I was pitching him, I would throw him two fastballs down the middle, to get ahead and wouldn't be the least bit concerned he would hurt me. Edited April 17, 2012 by shakes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 QUOTE (LVSoxFan @ Apr 17, 2012 -> 03:00 PM) What exactly is he not doing now that he was doing when he was successful? The thing I hear repeatedly is "long swing." He's always had that hitch with his hands. Now, he can't identify pitches so he's late on everything. A long swing is fine if you have good timing. Beckham has awful pitch recognition and its screwing his timing up. He can't catch up to fastballs and he tries to rock breaking balls he can't hit. I wouldn't even know where to begin with him. If he's going to be a part if the Sox future he has to be sent down. He'll never figure it out here. He's s***. He has no confidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 QUOTE (fathom @ Apr 17, 2012 -> 05:05 PM) I remember thinking his swing looked a little like Gary Sheffield's when he first played for the Sox in spring training. Last night, I don't know who that was at the plate. When did Gary Sheffield play for the Sox? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (knightni @ Apr 17, 2012 -> 10:53 PM) When did Gary Sheffield play for the Sox? He = Beckham Edited April 17, 2012 by fathom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 I think Eric Davis also had a similar hitch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 QUOTE (knightni @ Apr 17, 2012 -> 04:53 PM) When did Gary Sheffield play for the Sox? I am pretty sure the he is Gordo, not Sheff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 It baffles me that a guy like Beckham wouldn't go to a "professional hitter" like Konerko, who has such sound mechanics, and ask him for help. Then, if I were Gordon, I'd just scrap everything I was doing, and try to emmulate Paulie. I'd figure, "how could I go wrong with that approach?" Paulie is so fundamentally sound, in his approach. Why not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 QUOTE (Lillian @ Apr 17, 2012 -> 06:25 PM) It baffles me that a guy like Beckham wouldn't go to a "professional hitter" like Konerko, who has such sound mechanics, and ask him for help. Then, if I were Gordon, I'd just scrap everything I was doing, and try to emmulate Paulie. I'd figure, "how could I go wrong with that approach?" Paulie is so fundamentally sound, in his approach. Why not? According to Beckham, he spends a ton of time with Konerko and they have gone over things like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 QUOTE (Lillian @ Apr 17, 2012 -> 05:25 PM) It baffles me that a guy like Beckham wouldn't go to a "professional hitter" like Konerko, who has such sound mechanics, and ask him for help. Then, if I were Gordon, I'd just scrap everything I was doing, and try to emmulate Paulie. I'd figure, "how could I go wrong with that approach?" Paulie is so fundamentally sound, in his approach. Why not? I am guessing the problem is the opposite. Usually when guys are going bad, it is because they are listening to too many people, not too few. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 17, 2012 -> 04:27 PM) According to Beckham, he spends a ton of time with Konerko and they have gone over things like that. If that's the case, then apparently Gordon isn't a very good "student". His approach is nothing like Paulie's, and it's just plain bad!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 QUOTE (Lillian @ Apr 17, 2012 -> 06:35 PM) If that's the case, then apparently Gordon isn't a very good "student". His approach is nothing like Paulie's, and it's just plain bad!!! Like 2k5 said...Beckham probably has 36 different voices telling him things to do to fix his approach every week. Mimicking another player is usually not going to work for a guy anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 QUOTE (Lillian @ Apr 17, 2012 -> 05:25 PM) It baffles me that a guy like Beckham wouldn't go to a "professional hitter" like Konerko, who has such sound mechanics, and ask him for help. Then, if I were Gordon, I'd just scrap everything I was doing, and try to emmulate Paulie. I'd figure, "how could I go wrong with that approach?" Paulie is so fundamentally sound, in his approach. Why not? When you don't have the talent that the professional hitter has, the advice can only help so much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 A swing is like a signature, everyone's is unique. You're not going replicate somebody else's and have success. If that were the case, we'd all be the next Pujols. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 17, 2012 -> 04:36 PM) Like 2k5 said...Beckham probably has 36 different voices telling him things to do to fix his approach every week. Mimicking another player is usually not going to work for a guy anyway. I agree with you. He shouldn't listen to "36 different voices". He should listen to the one guy around this organization who has the best fundamental approach. Paulie, Paulie, Paulie!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenksycat Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 QUOTE (Lillian @ Apr 17, 2012 -> 05:25 PM) It baffles me that a guy like Beckham wouldn't go to a "professional hitter" like Konerko, who has such sound mechanics, and ask him for help. Then, if I were Gordon, I'd just scrap everything I was doing, and try to emmulate Paulie. I'd figure, "how could I go wrong with that approach?" Paulie is so fundamentally sound, in his approach. Why not? If it were that simple, there would be ~1,000,000,000 capable MLB hitters in the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 Every kid could just read the Ted Williams/Charlie Lau books. Every golfer could read Tiger Woods/Golf Digest swing mechanics books, etc. Approach is ONE thing, but Gordon Beckham changing his basic swing is just not going to happen, any more than it is with Rios or Dunn. You'll see variations, little things like timing devices with the foot or the bat position, but nothing so huge. For example, Austin Jackson had his front foot in the air too much and the simple adjustment of quieting that down has totally changed him as a hitter from last season. Gordon Beckham could live 24 hours per day with Paul Konerko and it might actually make him worse. For example, if any hitter tried to copy Roberto Clemente or Frank Thomas, they would be cut by their high school team in about 2-3 weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Apr 17, 2012 -> 04:59 PM) Every kid could just read the Ted Williams/Charlie Lau books. Every golfer could read Tiger Woods/Golf Digest swing mechanics books, etc. Approach is ONE thing, but Gordon Beckham changing his basic swing is just not going to happen, any more than it is with Rios or Dunn. You'll see variations, little things like timing devices with the foot or the bat position, but nothing so huge. For example, Austin Jackson had his front foot in the air too much and the simple adjustment of quieting that down has totally changed him as a hitter from last season. Gordon Beckham could live 24 hours per day with Paul Konerko and it might actually make him worse. For example, if any hitter tried to copy Roberto Clemente or Frank Thomas, they would be cut by their high school team in about 2-3 weeks. There have been some very talented hitters, over the years, who really didn't have the best approach, but hit, in spite of it. Perhaps, they would have been even better, if they had better mechanics. There are also some things that take place in the batter's box, before the pitch is delivered, that are unorthodox, but don't affect the hitters final swing. Nevertheless, there are certain important elements to a sound approach that a hitter should be following, and I don't see Beckham executing those very well. His lead foot is in the air too long, and his hitch is too exaggerated, and very late. When I watch him hit, my impression is that he has no chance. I felt the same way last year, watching Rios' horrible mechanics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 Thinking completely off key, who out there would be interested in a Pedro Alvarez for Gordon Beckham deal? (This is just a theoretical, not a real item) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjshoe04 Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 17, 2012 -> 06:16 PM) Thinking completely off key, who out there would be interested in a Pedro Alvarez for Gordon Beckham deal? (This is just a theoretical, not a real item) Considering I don't know who Pedro Alvarez is, I am. Edited April 17, 2012 by kjshoe04 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 QUOTE (kjshoe04 @ Apr 17, 2012 -> 06:18 PM) Considering I don't know who Pedro Alvarez is, I am. Recent top pick of Pittsburgh, was touted as being a future superstar powerhitter when drafted. He has been awful at the major league level. A lot in common with Gordo. http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/a/alvarpe01.shtml Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 17, 2012 -> 06:16 PM) Thinking completely off key, who out there would be interested in a Pedro Alvarez for Gordon Beckham deal? (This is just a theoretical, not a real item) Why the hell not, but I think Alvarez has been worse than Beckham so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 The thing that would make sense (the most) about that is we don't really have any legit 3B prospects in the minors, unless you are projecting Saladino to move there instead of sticking at 3B or being moved to the other side, 2B. Saladino's bat probably projects better at 2B than 3rd, as he's not really a true power hitter, but he's developing (well, based on 2011 mostly) in that area. This is a big jump for him to AA, though, and will probably be a pretty rough year for him offensively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Apr 17, 2012 -> 06:26 PM) Why the hell not, but I think Alvarez has been worse than Beckham so far. The only reason I throw that out there is it seems like the type of deal we would get for Becks if he doesn't recover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 Maybe he's a Rick vaughn.. Wonder if he's had his eye sight checked in depth, cause sheesh he's just lost it from one day to another Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 17, 2012 -> 07:30 PM) The only reason I throw that out there is it seems like the type of deal we would get for Becks if he doesn't recover. At the end of this year, that might well make sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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