Neal Cotts

[IlliniKrush]

56 walks in 106 IP is not "phenomenal."

 

And the vast majority of guys who "aren't ready for the big leagues" aren't ready for the big leagues.  Cotts is not ready for the big leagues.  Give him time.

No, but 35 walks in 65 innings apparently is

 

I'd love to know how you think you know when a guy is ready for the majors. It's not an exact science. If it was you'd never, ever see guys have bad first outings would you. I also didn't know one start is enough to determine whether or not he's ready

Man, you're just not listening.

 

The guy's just not ready. How anyone could have thought he was ready with all those walks is ridiculous.

 

I don't know where you recall me saying Dan Wright is anything special, all I've said is he's better than Neal Cotts right now. You're the one that's been throwing around words like "phenomenal," etc. Wright is nothing. Cotts is less than nothing (as an MLB pitcher right now). Get it yet?

 

Why must everyone make stuff that's so easy into quantum physics?

So he has some walks. So does Danny Wright.

 

After last night, he may not be ready. But how in the hell would you know that unless you let him pitch here? Like i already said, it's not a science. He freaked out yesterday, anyone could see that.

 

When looking at Cotts for the 5 job you have to look at Wright, because that's the alternative. If Wright sucks, you have to try to find some sort of answer for the 5th starter.

[IlliniKrush]

56 walks in 106 IP is not "phenomenal."

 

And the vast majority of guys who "aren't ready for the big leagues" aren't ready for the big leagues.  Cotts is not ready for the big leagues.  Give him time.

No, but 35 walks in 65 innings apparently is

 

I'd love to know how you think you know when a guy is ready for the majors. It's not an exact science. If it was you'd never, ever see guys have bad first outings would you. I also didn't know one start is enough to determine whether or not he's ready

Man, you're just not listening.

 

The guy's just not ready. How anyone could have thought he was ready with all those walks is ridiculous.

 

I don't know where you recall me saying Dan Wright is anything special, all I've said is he's better than Neal Cotts right now. You're the one that's been throwing around words like "phenomenal," etc. Wright is nothing. Cotts is less than nothing (as an MLB pitcher right now). Get it yet?

 

Why must everyone make stuff that's so easy into quantum physics?

And you said "how "anyone" could have thought he was ready with all those walks.........."

 

Well, looks like you know more than KW and the entire minor league coaching staff. Obvioiusly, someone thought he was ready, which means more than both yours and my opinion

[cwsox]

    Let's look at it from another perspective. Suppose this is a hitter making his debut. What if he's 0-4, with 7 LOB.  I'd be pissed.

and might I say, that is what is wrong with a lot of fans and these boards.

 

You are pissed because a debut player goes 0-4?

 

The very best hitters have 0-4 days.

 

What would you call a player who came up as a rookie and went 0-50 plus?

 

What names would you call the manager who played him?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The rookie was Robin Vetura who was lucky that his career started before the the attention deficit disorder "got it have it now you better hit 9-10 and I'll say f*** you about the 10th at bat" style of fans that the internet has brought out.

 

If a player is good, you wait them out. We did with Robin and it payed big dividends.

 

If I were a player, I'd be pissed at the fans for being so lacking in baseball knowledge that an 0-4 debut is a problem.

 

In fact, I am not a player and I find a lot of the fan trash talk of our own to be tiresome and totally lacking in baseball reality.

 

If we have to ever let a player go 0-50+ again, ala Ventura, I hope we have a manager who who will have the guts to do it and I will probably skip these boards the entire time because baseball sanity will require it.

[doubleM23]

Well, looks like you know more than KW and the entire minor league coaching staff. Obvioiusly, someone thought he was ready, which means more than both yours and my opinion

Well then someone f***ed up (doubtless the same person that traded Foulke for Koch).

 

The Sox front office has limited baseball knowledge, as far as I can tell.

 

And there is the separation. I don't think the bigwigs behind the scenes for the Sox really have any idea what they're doing (at least they're playing Crede regularly). You, apparently, like to think they're clued in on baseball.

 

To each his own.

 

And this little "rant" has absoletuly nothing to do with Cotts' MLB debut. Unless he threw a perfect game, I'd still say he should be in AA getting more seasoning.

 

:fthecubs Works for me!

[IlliniKrush]

Well, looks like you know more than KW and the entire minor league coaching staff. Obvioiusly, someone thought he was ready, which means more than both yours and my opinion

Well then someone f***ed up (doubtless the same person that traded Foulke for Koch).

 

The Sox front office has limited baseball knowledge, as far as I can tell.

 

And there is the separation. I don't think the bigwigs behind the scenes for the Sox really have any idea what they're doing (at least they're playing Crede regularly). You, apparently, like to think they're clued in on baseball.

 

To each his own.

 

And this little "rant" has absoletuly nothing to do with Cotts' MLB debut. Unless he threw a perfect game, I'd still say he should be in AA getting more seasoning.

 

:fthecubs Works for me!

Maybe he should get more seasoning. Ideally, you'd love to have that.

 

But you have to try something, and if he's your next best option (another argument completely), you have to try it out instead of trotting out Wright every time if he keeps struggling.

 

The Sox braintrust isn't the greatest, but all i'm saying is that they know things we both don't know and have seen him pitch many more times than both you and I (i'm assuming on your part)

[DonkeyKongerko]

Here is what I see. I see a person who admits he doesn't pay any attention to the minor leaguers and what they can do. Neal Cotts comes up and makes ONE START and he says the guy does not belong in the major leagues. This profound assessment is based on seeing Neal pitch exactly 2.1 innings of his career. I know Rex has seen Neal pitch a hell of alot more than 2.1 IP. Instead of telling us all that Neal does not belong because you have 14 years of baseball knowledge, you should have come on to Soxtalk and asked some people about Neal. For example, "Is this all Neal Cotts is about or can we expect more from him in the future?". Something along those lines would have been better than inciting a flame war with people who obviously know more about Neal Cotts than you.

 

Now as far as the game went, Danny Wright did a heck of a job. I give him full credit for keeping us in that game. Now do I want to see him start again? I don't really think so. He has a way of getting into trouble in his starts and can't seem to avoid the big inning. He has disappointed a number of times in the starting role this season.

[Jordan4life_2003]

Here is what I see.  I see a person who admits he doesn't pay any attention to the minor leaguers and what they can do.  Neal Cotts comes up and makes ONE START and he says the guy does not belong in the major leagues.  This profound assessment is based on seeing Neal pitch exactly 2.1 innings of his career.  I know Rex has seen Neal pitch a hell of alot more than 2.1 IP.  Instead of telling us all that Neal does not belong because you have 14 years of baseball knowledge, you should have come on to Soxtalk and asked some people about Neal.  For example, "Is this all Neal Cotts is about or can we expect more from him in the future?".  Something along those lines would have been better than inciting a flame war with people who obviously know more about Neal Cotts than you.

 

Now as far as the game went, Danny Wright did a heck of a job.  I give him full credit for keeping us in that game.  Now do I want to see him start again?  I don't really think so.  He has a way of getting into trouble in his starts and can't seem to avoid the big inning.  He has disappointed a number of times in the starting role this season.

You're right. I coulda did that. I know i'm no expert on Cotts. But the one thing I did know is that he walks a lot of people. And we all know that's the kiss of death in the big leagues. And I didn't wanna see him up during a pennant race anyway. The pressure on this kid has got to be unbelievable right now...

[YASNY]

 

 

    Let's look at it from another perspective.   Suppose this is a hitter making his debut.   What if he's 0-4, with 7 LOB.     I'd be pissed.

and might I say, that is what is wrong with a lot of fans and these boards.

 

You are pissed because a debut player goes 0-4?

 

The very best hitters have 0-4 days.

 

What would you call a player who came up as a rookie and went 0-50 plus?

 

What names would you call the manager who played him?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The rookie was Robin Vetura who was lucky that his career started before the the attention deficit disorder "got it have it now you better hit 9-10 and I'll say f*** you about the 10th at bat" style of fans that the internet has brought out.

 

If a player is good, you wait them out. We did with Robin and it payed big dividends.

 

If I were a player, I'd be pissed at the fans for being so lacking in baseball knowledge that an 0-4 debut is a problem.

 

In fact, I am not a player and I find a lot of the fan trash talk of our own to be tiresome and totally lacking in baseball reality.

 

If we have to ever let a player go 0-50+ again, ala Ventura, I hope we have a manager who who will have the guts to do it and I will probably skip these boards the entire time because baseball sanity will require it.

Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!

 

 

The rest of this thread does not deserve any comment whatsoever.