bobryansson Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 Everybody blames the last crappy thing for a loss, in this case Santiago. There was plenty o' crap to spread around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 QUOTE (kjshoe04 @ Apr 25, 2012 -> 06:37 PM) Really? You think pulling a rookie is going to ruin the clubhouse. I think it's worse if he doesn't. Matt Thornton should be closing. It has to be Addison Reed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (bobryansson @ Apr 25, 2012 -> 11:41 PM) Everybody blames the last crappy thing for a loss, in this case Santiago. There was plenty o' crap to spread around. Santiago almost gave up more runs in 1/3 of an inning than our starters did in 24. Who knows how many he would have given up if the game didn't end there. Edited April 25, 2012 by fathom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Apr 25, 2012 -> 06:40 PM) Santiago to the minors and we keep watching Beckham, Morel and Viciedo fail? Okay. But Santiago should be tried as a starter, anyway. That will be the FLIGHT FROM HELL coming back home, though. And the Red Sox will be coming in with a 3 game streak...we win four in a row, twice now, give it right back. Once again, the perfect game or no hitter ends up having a bounceback effect on the team. Right. Santiago is in trouble if he blows his next one but it would be very ballsy by Ventura to pull him out of the role so quickly. Very weird that the screwball has been looking like s*** though. One thing I wouldn't do is have Santiago pitch in the MLB if he's not the closer. The instant you decide he isn't your closer, he needs to get stretched out to be a starter in AAA. He got pummeled by some righties, but he has the stuff to get both righties and lefites out. If he can't calibrate the screwball coming out of the pen, that's fine, but I wouldn't leave him up here to die as a middle reliever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cali Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 f*** this team. Getting my hopes up there for a second. I do not know why... 2 of 3 to f***ing Oakland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Fireworks Man Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 Robin sure loves to bunt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 QUOTE (South Side Fireworks Man @ Apr 25, 2012 -> 06:44 PM) Robin sure loves to bunt. Oh lord, not this again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 Through 18 games, I'm still kinda unsure about this team. They could have a record much better than 10-8 with a bit better execution. 3-4 at home, 7-4 on the road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 QUOTE (fathom @ Apr 25, 2012 -> 06:42 PM) Santiago almost gave up more runs in 1/3 of an inning than our starters did in 24. Who knows how many he would have given up if the game didn't end there. Correct Santiago's numbers are god awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Apr 25, 2012 -> 06:45 PM) Through 18 games, I'm still kinda unsure about this team. They could have a record much better than 10-8 with a bit better execution. 3-4 at home, 7-4 on the road. Not all is lost. Robin has to figure out how to get these guys to chill out and quit making so many stupid mistakes though. By the way, the answer isn't less bunting -- it sure is to get some damn bunts down though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (Jake @ Apr 26, 2012 -> 12:45 AM) Not all is lost. Robin has to figure out how to get these guys to chill out and quit making so many stupid mistakes though. By the way, the answer isn't less bunting -- it sure is to get some damn bunts down though. Agreed, and I still think Dan Johnson would help this roster more than Escobar does. Edited April 25, 2012 by fathom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffro2525 Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 QUOTE (bobryansson @ Apr 25, 2012 -> 06:41 PM) Everybody blames the last crappy thing for a loss, in this case Santiago. There was plenty o' crap to spread around. You're right...but Santiago got crushed against a team that didn't crush anything for 32 innings. 4 runs in 32 innings. 3 runs off Santiago. He recorded one out...not good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 (edited) At least we're contributing to Cespedes' All-Star numbers. You'd have to say there's about a 90% chance he's the selection for Oakland. Feel sorry for Kansas City...about the worst possible year for them to host it with how their season has started. The only way it could possibly have ended up in a worse fashion for the White Sox would have been if Manny Ramirez was on the active roster and he hit the walkoff right after Cespedes tied it. Edited April 25, 2012 by caulfield12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 They seriously lost that game, didn't they Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 Think they'll kick the tires on Mike Gonzalez after today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Apr 25, 2012 -> 06:57 PM) Think they'll kick the tires on Mike Gonzalez after today? NOPE. We're not in "win now" mode. Rebuilding year. He's not going to be a part of any future with the Sox...why bother? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swingandalongonetoleft Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 Rongey's show is usually worth listening to after games like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Apr 25, 2012 -> 06:57 PM) Think they'll kick the tires on Mike Gonzalez after today? I hate that guy. His windup is so weird and awful to watch. He takes forever to throw a damn pitch. I think we're fine. Santiago should be a LOOGY, have Thornton or Reed close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daggins Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Apr 25, 2012 -> 06:59 PM) NOPE. We're not in "win now" mode. Rebuilding year. He's not going to be a part of any future with the Sox...why bother? Bingo! Robin wanted to see what he had in Santiago, and now he knows, and hopefully will find out what he has in Reed. Early part of the season is always like this, especially with new faces around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 I've seen enough of Santiago and Reed to know what the right move is. Santiago was never supposed to be the closer to begin with, so there's nothing wrong with pulling the plug on him already. Reed should close. Always should have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Apr 25, 2012 -> 06:59 PM) NOPE. We're not in "win now" mode. Rebuilding year. He's not going to be a part of any future with the Sox...why bother? we were in "win now" mode last year and this year's team is better. Besides how does signing Gonzalez do ANYTHING detrimental to this team's future? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (flavum @ Apr 25, 2012 -> 07:02 PM) I've seen enough of Santiago and Reed to know what the right move is. Santiago was never supposed to be the closer to begin with, so there's nothing wrong with pulling the plug on him already. Reed should close. Always should have. I think they were buying time for Jones to move to a setup role. With the sudden implosion of Santiago I'd probably move Reed to closer now and roll dice that Jones is ready to set up. This also means there's no real role for Santiago. I'd probably bring Bruney up to help in easing Jones' transition. Edited April 26, 2012 by Marty34 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Apr 25, 2012 -> 07:14 PM) I think they were buying time for Jones to move to a setup role. With the sudden implosion of Santiago I'd probably move Reed to closer now and roll dice that Jones is ready to set up. This also means there's no real role for Santiago. I'd probably bring Bruney up to help in easing Jones' transition. Crain and Thornton would be the set up guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 Got to step back from this loss and ponder a bit. But, Santiago's implossions twice now make you wonder if we need to take a look at that closers spot adn I mean a long look. That is two games we should have won and be in this race Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 QUOTE (2nd_city_saint787 @ Apr 25, 2012 -> 07:16 PM) Crain and Thornton would be the set up guys. I think it's imperitive to have a second RH set up guy when Crain is the other RH'er. His innings have to be monitored very closely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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