jeffro2525 Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 Get on any way you can Morel. Would be nice for Escobar not to lead off the 6th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 25, 2012 Author Share Posted April 25, 2012 Morel draws the first walk of the entire game, with two outs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 QUOTE (fathom @ Apr 25, 2012 -> 08:33 PM) Sox don't draw a lot of walks, do they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 25, 2012 -> 03:32 PM) I see that the game thread is right back to calling for people benching and saying that it's totally unsustainable to try to develop these guys at the major league level. When Brent Morel's looking for a 94-95 MPH fastball and doesn't have a chance to hit it, what are you going to do/teach/instruct/develop? I'm actually thankfully that Dayan's not taking another 0 for 3 or 0 for 4 with a couple of K's or GIDP. At a certain point, it becomes counterproductive. And, with our starting pitching, the Angeles struggling migtily, the logjam in the AL East and the Twins/Royals in the toilet, there's a legit opportunity to compete this year, whether we want to be drawn into it or not...it's not KW's nature to be patient. It's not like Morel was a Brandon Wood-level talent, Josh Fields or even Andy Marte coming up...nobody projected him as a future All-Star. Perhaps our expectations were inflated due the fact he was a higher prospect in our system than he would have been in other organizations, as well as the fact we had about ZERO position prospects, there's that, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 25, 2012 Author Share Posted April 25, 2012 Half way home, no score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Apr 25, 2012 -> 08:37 PM) When Brent Morel's looking for a 94-95 MPH fastball and doesn't have a chance to hit it, what are you going to do/teach/instruct/develop? I'm actually thankfully that Dayan's not taking another 0 for 3 or 0 for 4 with a couple of K's or GIDP. At a certain point, it becomes counterproductive. And, with our starting pitching, the Angeles struggling migtily, the logjam in the AL East and the Twins/Royals in the toilet, there's a legit opportunity to compete this year, whether we want to be drawn into it or not...it's not KW's nature to be patient. It's not like Morel was a Brandon Wood-level talent, Josh Fields or even Andy Marte coming up...nobody projected him as a future All-Star. Perhaps our expectations were inflated due the fact he was a higher prospect in our system than he would have been in other organizations, as well as the fact we had about ZERO position prospects, there's that, too. Fantastic post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/batting/_/lea.../qualified/true For eligible players in the AL, OPS-wise, Morel would be last if not for Miguel Olivo. Beckham's 5th from the bottom. Sounds familiar. At least it's not a list also including Dunn and Rios. That's the main plus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 25, 2012 Author Share Posted April 25, 2012 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Apr 25, 2012 -> 03:37 PM) When Brent Morel's looking for a 94-95 MPH fastball and doesn't have a chance to hit it, what are you going to do/teach/instruct/develop? I'm actually thankfully that Dayan's not taking another 0 for 3 or 0 for 4 with a couple of K's or GIDP. At a certain point, it becomes counterproductive. And, with our starting pitching, the Angeles struggling migtily, the logjam in the AL East and the Twins/Royals in the toilet, there's a legit opportunity to compete this year, whether we want to be drawn into it or not...it's not KW's nature to be patient. It's not like Morel was a Brandon Wood-level talent, Josh Fields or even Andy Marte coming up...nobody projected him as a future All-Star. Perhaps our expectations were inflated due the fact he was a higher prospect in our system than he would have been in other organizations, as well as the fact we had about ZERO position prospects, there's that, too. In the middle of April with no better prospects being blocked, it is WAY too early. The idea is to figure out if you have major leaguers in these guys, not jerk them around like Brian Anderson. It does the organization no good to not figure out if these kids can play, or even learn to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Apr 25, 2012 -> 04:37 PM) When Brent Morel's looking for a 94-95 MPH fastball and doesn't have a chance to hit it, what are you going to do/teach/instruct/develop? I'm actually thankfully that Dayan's not taking another 0 for 3 or 0 for 4 with a couple of K's or GIDP. At a certain point, it becomes counterproductive. And, with our starting pitching, the Angeles struggling migtily, the logjam in the AL East and the Twins/Royals in the toilet, there's a legit opportunity to compete this year, whether we want to be drawn into it or not...it's not KW's nature to be patient. It's not like Morel was a Brandon Wood-level talent, Josh Fields or even Andy Marte coming up...nobody projected him as a future All-Star. Perhaps our expectations were inflated due the fact he was a higher prospect in our system than he would have been in other organizations, as well as the fact we had about ZERO position prospects, there's that, too. QUOTE (fathom @ Apr 25, 2012 -> 04:39 PM) Fantastic post Then either these guys should have been replaced coming in to the season to give us a chance at competing or the Sox should have taken additional steps to convince you that they're committed to rebuilding, because selling off what they sold off wasn't enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 (edited) 46 pitches, 36 strikes. 14 up, 14 down. (Worked in the Humber thread!) Okay, so much for that...Farmer and this post jinxed Sale, haha. Started off 3-0 count, Suzuki's getting his hits off Sox pitching. So tired of hearing how often Thornton gets balls off the ends of bats or breaks bats when they end up hits against the Sox in key situations, BTW. Edited April 25, 2012 by caulfield12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 25, 2012 -> 08:41 PM) In the middle of April with no better prospects being blocked, it is WAY too early. The idea is to figure out if you have major leaguers in these guys, not jerk them around like Brian Anderson. It does the organization no good to not figure out if these kids can play, or even learn to play. Morel needs confidence at the plate. Totally different situation than Viciedo, where it's simply a matter of him lunging too much on the pitch. The question for the organization is whether or not Morel can get confidence at the big league level or if going to the minors and working on his approach and proving he can be successful is the better path to take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Apr 25, 2012 -> 04:41 PM) http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/batting/_/lea.../qualified/true For eligible players in the AL, OPS-wise, Morel would be last if not for Miguel Olivo. Beckham's 5th from the bottom. Sounds familiar. At least it's not a list also including Dunn and Rios. That's the main plus. I'm a big fan of seeing Hosmer, Pujols, Alex Gordon, and a number of other names on there. Clearly you can't sustain a team with people like Pujols hitting in your key RBI spot. Things need to change and that guy needs to go back to the minors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 Anyone else think that if AJP leaves after this year, KW will bring in Suzuki? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 Hanging breaking ball. Had to get it down in the dirt or at least lower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 25, 2012 Author Share Posted April 25, 2012 QUOTE (fathom @ Apr 25, 2012 -> 03:43 PM) Morel needs confidence at the plate. Totally different situation than Viciedo, where it's simply a matter of him lunging too much on the pitch. The question for the organization is whether or not Morel can get confidence at the big league level or if going to the minors and working on his approach and proving he can be successful is the better path to take. Benching these guys answers none of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 25, 2012 Author Share Posted April 25, 2012 two hits, Oakland has nothing to show for it. Still scoreless after 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 25, 2012 -> 03:44 PM) I'm a big fan of seeing Hosmer, Pujols, Alex Gordon, and a number of other names on there. Clearly you can't sustain a team with people like Pujols hitting in your key RBI spot. Things need to change and that guy needs to go back to the minors. You're seriously comparing the best player in the history of the modern game of baseball with a guaranteed contract for $250 million and BRENT MOREL? C'mon, you're better than that. Alex Gordon at least has the pedigree and the huge (for him) season offensively last year. It wasn't six weeks (Morel), 2-3 months (Mark Teahen)...it was a legitimate full season of play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 25, 2012 -> 09:47 PM) Benching these guys answers none of that. No one said benching Morel is the answer. I'm of the opinion that with the way he's approaching things right now, he would probably struggle hitting AAA pitching as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 QUOTE (fathom @ Apr 25, 2012 -> 04:45 PM) Anyone else think that if AJP leaves after this year, KW will bring in Suzuki? Considering he's under contract through 2013, no. (with a $9 million vesting option I should add) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 And we at least have options for Morel. We can play/try Lillibridge there for a couple of weeks. It doesn't work, we go back to Morel after he's had a chance to take a deep breath, relax and approach the opportunity to play again everyday from a fresh perspective instead of being caught up in a downward spiral day-after-day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Apr 25, 2012 -> 04:48 PM) You're seriously comparing the best player in the history of the modern game of baseball with a guaranteed contract for $250 million and BRENT MOREL? C'mon, you're better than that. Alex Gordon at least has the pedigree and the huge (for him) season offensively last year. It wasn't six weeks (Morel), 2-3 months (Mark Teahen)...it was a legitimate full season of play. You guys are the ones saying that the #8 offense in the AL, the definition of middle of the pack, can't possibly succeed with those black holes in the lineup and that changes somehow need to be made after 3 weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Apr 25, 2012 -> 04:50 PM) And we at least have options for Morel. We can play/try Lillibridge there for a couple of weeks. It doesn't work, we go back to Morel after he's had a chance to take a deep breath, relax and approach the opportunity to play again everyday from a fresh perspective instead of being caught up in a downward spiral day-after-day. And that could of course break whatever they're working with Morel on completely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 Great start for De Aza. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 25, 2012 Author Share Posted April 25, 2012 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Apr 25, 2012 -> 03:48 PM) You're seriously comparing the best player in the history of the modern game of baseball with a guaranteed contract for $250 million and BRENT MOREL? C'mon, you're better than that. Alex Gordon at least has the pedigree and the huge (for him) season offensively last year. It wasn't six weeks (Morel), 2-3 months (Mark Teahen)...it was a legitimate full season of play. You mean the Alex Gordon who didn't break out until his fifth season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 Successful bunt by Alexei! Yay! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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