The Ginger Kid Posted May 5, 2012 Share Posted May 5, 2012 If I'm Addison Reed I've got to be pretty bummed about this move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted May 5, 2012 Share Posted May 5, 2012 QUOTE (iamshack @ May 5, 2012 -> 11:32 AM) You guys are all being a bit harsh, in my opinion...and if you were all as smart as you seem to think you are, you wouldn't be just posting on this message board to tell us about it. If we could be so lucky to take over for Phil Rodgers or over half of the "smart" paid bloggers on ESPN and Yahoo. I'm not sure your ending statement has any real meaning. People do get paid for being stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted May 5, 2012 Share Posted May 5, 2012 QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ May 5, 2012 -> 12:53 PM) If I'm Addison Reed I've got to be pretty bummed about this move. In my opinion, the Sox are one management move away from being 15-11 right now. And that's not having Reed in mind to close from the first day of spring training. This team has a lot of good things going for it so far. I'm not just going with the "Oh well, it's a rebuilding year" mindset. This team can win ballgames. And with the Angels starting so slow, you never know about a second wildcard. 88-win teams can earn a shot at the playoffs. Teams that maximize their talent can get there. Teams that give games away will always come up short. This team hands over games on a silver platter, and unfortunately part of it, a lot of it, is based on one management decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted May 5, 2012 Share Posted May 5, 2012 QUOTE (kitekrazy @ May 5, 2012 -> 11:58 AM) If we could be so lucky to take over for Phil Rodgers or over half of the "smart" paid bloggers on ESPN and Yahoo. I'm not sure your ending statement has any real meaning. People do get paid for being stupid. I wasn't referring to the media...I was referring to the bs hindsight is 20/20 second guessing that's been going on here... You're talking about making decisions based on multiple variables and moving parts and several factors outside of anyone's control over the course of a 3 year period. Sure, when you sit back and look at things from the comfort of your couch with the benefit of knowing what we do now, but without knowing s*** about what went into all these decisions...yeah, it can all seem really easy... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted May 5, 2012 Share Posted May 5, 2012 I have to give the Sox some credit: they didn't compound the mistake of moving Sale to starter by trying to keep him there until his elbow situation got worse. They made a decisive move and they did it pretty damn quick. Just look at the Joba mess in NYC, by contrast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted May 5, 2012 Share Posted May 5, 2012 QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ May 5, 2012 -> 01:22 PM) I have to give the Sox some credit: they didn't compound the mistake of moving Sale to starter by trying to keep him there until his elbow situation got worse. They made a decisive move and they did it pretty damn quick. Just look at the Joba mess in NYC, by contrast. I still think the first logical move would be to shut Sale down for two weeks and think long and hard about it. But that's just me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitewashed in '05 Posted May 5, 2012 Share Posted May 5, 2012 QUOTE (flavum @ May 5, 2012 -> 12:25 PM) I still think the first logical move would be to shut Sale down for two weeks and think long and hard about it. But that's just me. I agree. Sale is doing a fantastic job as a starter and to just move him into relief, for what seems permanently, because he's got elbow soreness right now? And the fact that they aren't even holding him away from pitching until his next scheduled day to pitch also doesn't make sense. Unless they know something they're not telling us, this is a stupid move as an organization for your former No. 1 pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted May 5, 2012 Share Posted May 5, 2012 QUOTE (Reddy @ May 5, 2012 -> 02:45 PM) so i'm honestly in a state of shock and mourning at this. i really haven't ever been this upset about sports before in my life. it's weird. but it's because we had hope of replacing a guy like buehrle with a phenom kid like chris sale, and with this one single move we've now taken ourselves out of contention not only for this year but for the foreseeable future. as someone posted earlier, a rotation of Danks, Humber, Axelrod, Stewart, Santiago, Molina (take your pick) puts us on the level of Kansas City or Minnesota or Houston or any other bottom dweller team. It's just depressing. and with OUR anemic offense, mediocre pitching like that is too much of a challenge to overcome. Losing Sale out of the rotation is a killer. Great post. However, with no closer after last night's disaster, it was time for Reed. Could Reed have done the job? This team's freefall is coming. Team already has blown a ton of games in dramatic fashion and has already set the tone as a lousy home team. Good luck keeping any black hair on your head, Robin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted May 5, 2012 Share Posted May 5, 2012 WTF life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted May 5, 2012 Share Posted May 5, 2012 The world has ended. I love lamp. That is all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted May 5, 2012 Share Posted May 5, 2012 Just heard about this. I'm pissed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted May 5, 2012 Share Posted May 5, 2012 There are a ton of variables when it comes to a pitching arm and while the Sox probably can't know nearly enough of them, I promise we know even less of them. I'm curious to see if Sale's velo pops back up like it used to, now. I don't see why they didn't pop him in a tube to get an MRI though, I don't think Peavy's contract is so expensive that we can't afford those anymore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted May 5, 2012 Share Posted May 5, 2012 They should work on adjusting his throwing motion so that his elbow doesn't get stress. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyuen Posted May 5, 2012 Share Posted May 5, 2012 QUOTE (Jake @ May 5, 2012 -> 09:30 AM) Since we're going to talk about Kenny Williams as if he's never made a good move, let's just go ahead and mention all the good moves so we remember that he's actually done some good. Aaron Rowand, Gio Gonzalez for Jim Thome Freddy Garcia for Gavin Floyd, Gio Gonzalez Chris Carter for Carlos Quentin Esteban Loaiza signing Esteban Loaiza for Jose Contreras Joe Borchard for Matt Thornton Chris Sale draft pick Signings in 2005 - AJ Pierzysnki, Jermaine Dye, Tadahito Iguchi, Bobby Jenks Extending Paul Konerko 2x Brandon McCarthy for John Danks Alexei Ramirez signing Phil Humber signing TBD: Dunn signing Peavy trade (didn't lose much), especially if insurance payouts were had Quentin trade (injured, who would guess that) Ozzie Guillen compensation players? (lol, not entirely serious) this is all I can remember off the top of my head. There are some non-moves, like non-tendering Jenks, that stick out as well I think McCarthy will have a better career from here out than danks but that was still a good move up to this point. Dunn is not tbd. That was a bad signing. We didn't give up much for Peary but he sure has not been worth the money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted May 5, 2012 Share Posted May 5, 2012 Richard - up until this season - has had better results than Peavy at a fraction of the cost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted May 5, 2012 Share Posted May 5, 2012 QUOTE (knightni @ May 5, 2012 -> 03:14 PM) Richard - up until this season - has had better results than Peavy at a fraction of the cost. Can't fault that trade though. If Peavy is healthy he's the best player in the trade by a wide margin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted May 5, 2012 Share Posted May 5, 2012 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 5, 2012 -> 04:27 PM) Can't fault that trade though. If Peavy is healthy he's the best player in the trade by a wide margin. Yeah, but he was traded while injured. If he was healthy at the time, he would have costed much more than he did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted May 5, 2012 Share Posted May 5, 2012 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 5, 2012 -> 09:27 PM) Can't fault that trade though. If Peavy is healthy he's the best player in the trade by a wide margin. It was a very high risk, high reward move that Kenny made. Problem is he's struck out on all of those since 2008. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 5, 2012 Share Posted May 5, 2012 QUOTE (flavum @ May 5, 2012 -> 12:01 PM) In my opinion, the Sox are one management move away from being 15-11 right now. And that's not having Reed in mind to close from the first day of spring training. This team has a lot of good things going for it so far. I'm not just going with the "Oh well, it's a rebuilding year" mindset. This team can win ballgames. And with the Angels starting so slow, you never know about a second wildcard. 88-win teams can earn a shot at the playoffs. Teams that maximize their talent can get there. Teams that give games away will always come up short. This team hands over games on a silver platter, and unfortunately part of it, a lot of it, is based on one management decision. But you can't just assume that our rookie closer (Reed) would go out there and have a 100% save conversion rate. It's just very unlikely. Maybe 14-12, but there's just no way all those games go their way, baseball doesn't work in such a fashion in the real world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 5, 2012 Share Posted May 5, 2012 QUOTE (knightni @ May 5, 2012 -> 02:31 PM) Yeah, but he was traded while injured. If he was healthy at the time, he would have costed much more than he did. Hmm.....trading for an injured pitcher is always going to be a calculated risk. Guess it's going to be one of those things like the D-Rose injury that will always be a big "what if," particularly in regards to the 2010 season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted May 5, 2012 Share Posted May 5, 2012 QUOTE (knightni @ May 5, 2012 -> 03:31 PM) Yeah, but he was traded while injured. If he was healthy at the time, he would have costed much more than he did. Not really. The Sox traded for him when he was healthy using the same players as bait. That's when he said no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted May 5, 2012 Share Posted May 5, 2012 QUOTE (fathom @ May 5, 2012 -> 03:47 PM) It was a very high risk, high reward move that Kenny made. Problem is he's struck out on all of those since 2008. But it was a sprained ankle not anything with the arm or elbow or shoulder. Its a move I would have applauded 10 times out of 10 times. KW has sucked, but I will never blame him for that trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted May 5, 2012 Share Posted May 5, 2012 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 5, 2012 -> 09:32 PM) But it was a sprained ankle not anything with the arm or elbow or shoulder. Its a move I would have applauded 10 times out of 10 times. KW has sucked, but I will never blame him for that trade. There were some lingering questions about his health from the previous season, IIRC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted May 5, 2012 Share Posted May 5, 2012 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 5, 2012 -> 04:31 PM) Not really. The Sox traded for him when he was healthy using the same players as bait. That's when he said no. For sure. I wonder if Chris Sale is about to be traded for a young bat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted May 5, 2012 Share Posted May 5, 2012 QUOTE (Jerksticks @ May 5, 2012 -> 09:34 PM) For sure. I wonder if Chris Sale is about to be traded for a young bat. Should have done that a week ago. No one would trade for him right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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