Chris Sale is now the CLOSER?!/Until he's not (Update)

[Kyyle23]

but it is HARDER than it was 2 days ago! jesus

 

Point out where I said it wasn't harder

[Texsox]

because it isnt impossible. Just a change of direction.

 

Correct.

 

Of course not many people would like to think about how nice it will be if it works out.

[Marty34]

Point out where I said it wasn't harder

 

Somehow though they will remain competitive (as if that's the goal) in the years to come.

[TaylorStSox]

This Sale fiasco is a big blow for the future, but I'm not going to panic until I see what we can get for Floyd, AJ, Thornton, Crain and possibly Peavy. I'm gonna wait to see how Molina and Castro develop. If, after this year, we can't build a rotation around Danks, Humber, Molina, Stewart, Castro, Axelrod and whoever we acquire via trade, then I might get pissed. I said all along that I was fine with a rebuild. Freaking out this early in the process is extremely premature.

 

I'm also not ready to close the door on Sale. Maybe they work on stretching him out again and re-evaluate after the season. I sure as hell trust Don Cooper. He's one guy that knows what he's doing.

[Reddy]

Correct.

 

Of course not many people would like to think about how nice it will be if it works out.

can you paint the scenario where it works out for 2013?

 

jeez guys i love the white sox as much as anyone here - people were literally b****ing that i was being TOO POSITIVE a week ago. but i just don't see how some of you can see this as anything but a negative in the short and long term

 

 

- we now have two vacant starter spots going into next year.

- we're wasting Addison Reed

- we can't trade Sale now

- relievers blow out their arms too (see Brian Wilson)

- we don't have a deep enough minor league system to trade for good starters or develop them in time for next year

 

i guess i just felt given the positive results this team was getting this year, that we could viably compete both this and next year. maybe not for the WS, but easily the division. now we've at the very least given up on next year. this year we've still got a decent rotation, but if both Floyd and Peavy depart, we're left with an ugly set of circumstances come 2013.

 

did the nats turn strasburg into a closer because he was an injury risk?

Edited May 6, 2012 by Reddy

[max power]

This thread is full of hindsight, and hypothetical situations condemning the sox for the wrongs they committed - that have at best arguable validity. This board is almost becoming unbearable in its negativity, and that is the primary basis of all of these claims that Sale was ruined by the sox. Relievers are converted to starters early in the careers occasionally in baseball. Sale couldn't cut it due to mostly indeterminable factors. His mechanics, and physiological make up are likely the reasons he could not make the transition from reliever to starter as so many have before him. Its fair to say that these were questions when he was drafted. This was a calculated risk in drafting him. You can fault the sox for drafting him, logically. But to be shocked and horrified at the thought of it not working out and blaming the way his roles were defined for him as the definitive reason that Sale failed as a starter (you screwed him kenny!!!) is just illogical.

[fathom]

Of course not many people would like to think about how nice it will be if it works out.

 

Probably would have been a lot easier to think about "how nice it will be if it works out" if they didn't already have Reed in the system though. I said this after the Santos trade, but who cares about the back-end of your bullpen if you're going through a rebuilding process? Now, if KW and Jerry decide to spend money on upgrading the starting rotation after the year, then it's no longer in the rebuilding phase and having a good closer is important (Captain Obvious, I know).

[South Side Fireworks Man]

You know what we should do? We should project everything based on what happened two days ago and expect nothing else to happen, ever. that is what we should do.

 

 

That's exactly what I was thinking, too...Because this is the exact roster we will have for the next 7 years.

 

 

Well we both know Kenny never trades anyone, and he always has the same roster.

 

With caulfields predictions of doom and death, and fathom's worrisome assessment of Robin Ventura through 26 games, and Marty needing to trade everyone and anyone, we should really start to think about the Sox quitting the AL and moving to the Independent league.

I'm with you guys. Of course I'm disappointed by the news about Sale's elbow and having to be removed from the rotation, but the panic and doom and gloom around here are ridiculous. Let's see how things develop. Who knows what twists and turns lie ahead?

[TaylorStSox]

can you paint the scenario where it works out for 2013?

 

jeez guys i love the white sox as much as anyone here - people were literally b****ing that i was being TOO POSITIVE a week ago. but i just don't see how some of you can see this as anything but a negative in the short and long term

 

 

- we now have two vacant starter spots going into next year.

- we're wasting Addison Reed

- we can't trade Sale now

- relievers blow out their arms too (see Brian Wilson)

- we don't have a deep enough minor league system to trade for good starters or develop them in time for next year

 

i guess i just felt given the positive results this team was getting this year, that we could viably compete both this and next year. maybe not for the WS, but easily the division. now we've at the very least given up on next year. this year we've still got a decent rotation, but if both Floyd and Peavy depart, we're left with an ugly set of circumstances come 2013.

 

did the nats turn strasburg into a closer because he was an injury risk?

How are they wasting Reed? He was drafted 2 freaking years ago. He's way ahead of schedule. So far, we've gotten more production from that draft than any team in baseball that didn't draft Bryce Harper.

[Reddy]

How are they wasting Reed? He was drafted 2 freaking years ago. He's way ahead of schedule. So far, we've gotten more production from that draft than any team in baseball that didn't draft Bryce Harper.

he's obviously a closer. what the f*** is the point in having two ace closers?

[iamshack]

can you paint the scenario where it works out for 2013?

 

jeez guys i love the white sox as much as anyone here - people were literally b****ing that i was being TOO POSITIVE a week ago. but i just don't see how some of you can see this as anything but a negative in the short and long term

 

 

- we now have two vacant starter spots going into next year.

- we're wasting Addison Reed

- we can't trade Sale now

- relievers blow out their arms too (see Brian Wilson)

- we don't have a deep enough minor league system to trade for good starters or develop them in time for next year

 

i guess i just felt given the positive results this team was getting this year, that we could viably compete both this and next year. maybe not for the WS, but easily the division. now we've at the very least given up on next year. this year we've still got a decent rotation, but if both Floyd and Peavy depart, we're left with an ugly set of circumstances come 2013.

 

did the nats turn strasburg into a closer because he was an injury risk?

I don't think anyone is happy about it...I think some of us are trying to point out that this shouldn't make or break the entire team...

[Reddy]

also. caulfield knows more about baseball than 90% of this board, me included. if he's freaking out - i think it's legit.

 

just sayin.

[max power]

Why are people acting as if resigning either Floyd or Peavy or *gasps* another one of the dozens of free agent pitchers out there is impossible?

 

Oh right, because the end is near.

Edited May 6, 2012 by MAX

[Reddy]

I don't think anyone is happy about it...I think some of us are trying to point out that this shouldn't make or break the entire team...

one more spot in the rotation for a felix diaz, danny wright, or jon rauch CAN make or break a team. that's a lotta losses.

[TaylorStSox]

he's obviously a closer. what the f*** is the point in having two ace closers?

Having depth is a good thing. Why can't they trade Sale or Reed? I still think Sale has a ton of value. Teams overspend for relievers all the time. There's a team out there who would go crazy for a 23 year old lefty reliever that throws 100 and might possibly become a starter. We're 1 month into a rebuild. Give it some time.

[iamshack]

also. caulfield knows more about baseball than 90% of this board, me included. if he's freaking out - i think it's legit.

 

just sayin.

I respect Caufield.

 

But go look at his posts over the course of the last two weeks or so...he's like a pregnant woman right now.

[Reddy]

Why are people acting as if resigning either Floyd or Peavy or *gasps* another one of the dozens of free agent pitchers out there is impossible?

True. You could spend a lot of money on a marquee free agent even though you've got Sale at the minimum. Yep. You could do that. We all know how well Kenny's signings pan out.

[Reddy]

I respect Caufield.

 

But go look at his posts over the course of the last two weeks or so...he's like a pregnant woman right now.

this is my point. maybe there's a reason.

[TaylorStSox]

also. caulfield knows more about baseball than 90% of this board, me included. if he's freaking out - i think it's legit.

 

just sayin.

One of the great things about baseball is that it's the one sport that makes 95% of the experts look stupid. It's so fluid. I'm still waiting for the Jays and Royals to compete. I think I'm going to be waiting a few more years for that.

[Reddy]

Having depth is a good thing. Why can't they trade Sale or Reed? I still think Sale has a ton of value. Teams overspend for relievers all the time. There's a team out there who would go crazy for a 23 year old lefty reliever that throws 100 and might possibly become a starter. We're 1 month into a rebuild. Give it some time.

but you're not getting Jesus Montero like you could have a couple days ago. The Pineda situation mirrors this PERFECTLY. A team that saw a flaw, unloaded the guy, and walked away looking like a genius.

[iamshack]

one more spot in the rotation for a felix diaz, danny wright, or jon rauch CAN make or break a team. that's a lotta losses.

I agree...but let's see what we have first before we chalk all those games up as losses...

[max power]

True. You could spend a lot of money on a marquee free agent even though you've got Sale at the minimum. Yep. You could do that. We all know how well Kenny's signings pan out.

Dunn had a bad season last year, but right now, it looks like it will work out well. What other free agent signings were huge busts?

[Dick Allen]

he's obviously a closer. what the f*** is the point in having two ace closers?

You posted yesterday that closers aren't valuable. Now they are wasting Reed not using him as a closer.

[fathom]

but you're not getting Jesus Montero like you could have a couple days ago. The Pineda situation mirrors this PERFECTLY. A team that saw a flaw, unloaded the guy, and walked away looking like a genius.

 

Perfect comparison

[Reddy]

I agree...but let's see what we have first before we chalk all those games up as losses...

totally. i'm just saying, a lot of the prospects we rotated through the 4th/5th starter spots were also considered "decent prospects" just like the guys we have now. every one of our potential rookie starters next year still has glaring issues that need to be worked out. Sale was the closest thing we had to a cant-miss prospect since Gordon Beckham. ruh roh.