macsandz Posted May 17, 2012 Share Posted May 17, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 17, 2012 -> 09:31 AM) This team is going to be streaky this year. That's what happens when you have this many kids in the line up. "This many kids?" You make it sound like it's a majority of youth. It's Morel and Viciedo. The rest are 2+ year vets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macsandz Posted May 17, 2012 Share Posted May 17, 2012 QUOTE (Cali @ May 17, 2012 -> 11:10 AM) Break out in what way though? Cause they ain't winning 95 again. Maybe 89-90 with that staff as it's pitching right now... I still think Detroit wins, but they wont be that good. The Sox will win like 83 and Detroit 90 and it'll be like every f***ing year seems to be.... The Tigers are not good right now. They aren't "breaking out". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 17, 2012 Share Posted May 17, 2012 QUOTE (bucket-of-suck @ May 17, 2012 -> 12:42 PM) "This many kids?" You make it sound like it's a majority of youth. It's Morel and Viciedo. The rest are 2+ year vets. Ignoring the pen and rotation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted May 17, 2012 Share Posted May 17, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 17, 2012 -> 01:44 PM) Ignoring the pen and rotation? And the bench. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cali Posted May 17, 2012 Share Posted May 17, 2012 QUOTE (bucket-of-suck @ May 17, 2012 -> 10:42 AM) "This many kids?" You make it sound like it's a majority of youth. It's Morel and Viciedo. The rest are 2+ year vets. And Morel and Viciedo aren't rookies either... Just young Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 17, 2012 Share Posted May 17, 2012 He said it one time all off-season, then seemed to make a concerted effort to walk it back. I think that was after the Santos trade but BEFORE the Danks contract, yes? The real question is does he have the mandate from JR to tear this team completely apart or are they going to hope and pray for a 26-5 run to bail them out (see 2010) and lull them into another false sense of complacency that the "full rebuild" can be put off YET AGAIN and that they can rebuild on the fly while still being able to realistically say the can or could compete every year in the process? Can we actually manage to do that without a couple Top 3-5 draft picks in the first round? If the team totally goes in the tank (worse than 2007) and attendance threatens 1998/1999/2002 numbers, there's going to be more and more pressure to throw in the towel on KW, especially if the Cubs' rebuilding plan seems to be taking off faster and is showing more immediate dividends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Hibbard Posted May 17, 2012 Author Share Posted May 17, 2012 My biggest worry: a 6-under record against AL teams through May a 10-over record against NL teams a 5-under record against the rest of the AL schedule grumblings about how close we were, despite the obstacles, if the team had only performed ....and no real long term plan. or in other words, what's come to be known as "a typical White Sox year." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 17, 2012 Share Posted May 17, 2012 The only argument for having a better AL Central division record this year is beating up on the Twins. But every team in the division SHOULD do that...and we have to prove we can, and you'd think by the time we face them, perhaps they will be healthier or playing better baseball...this happened with the Royals/Sox after their 12 game losing streak, we caught them when they were pretty hot and lost 2/3. We're about .500 in the division and clearly an inferior team when compared with the AL East and top two in the AL West. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted May 17, 2012 Share Posted May 17, 2012 QUOTE (Greg Hibbard @ May 17, 2012 -> 01:53 PM) My biggest worry: a 6-under record against AL teams through May a 10-over record against NL teams a 5-under record against the rest of the AL schedule grumblings about how close we were, despite the obstacles, if the team had only performed ....and no real long term plan. or in other words, what's come to be known as "a typical White Sox year." If this team plays .500 or better ball, this is a good thing. It's not happening unless the struggling part of the pitching rotation steps up, the young guys in the bullpen step up, and some out of Beckham/Morel/Viciedo/Lillibrige/Flowers step up. And they found their leadoff hitter for the next few years in De Aza, and Dunn and Rios continued playing pretty well. Meaning, if this team plays well against NL teams and pushes up to .500, they've actually set themselves up surprisingly well for next year, because Peavy and AJ's contracts clear, saving $28 million ($5 million or so of that spent on the Danks extension already). That means the Sox could be legit players in FA for someone really big, like Hamels or Hell even Hamilton, as long as it starts with an H, and that could well push this team to be a legit player next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted May 17, 2012 Share Posted May 17, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 17, 2012 -> 07:37 AM) I think we bounce around within five games of .500 pretty much all year long with some really good and really bad stretches, which leads to a few pieces being dealt at the deadline. I agree with this. Detroit's pitching is going to hold them back from running away with this division. Same is true with the Sox - we'll win with good pitching, lose with bad pitching. At least Detroit's offense can overcome some bad pitching; Sox, not so much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyuen Posted May 17, 2012 Share Posted May 17, 2012 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ May 17, 2012 -> 11:01 AM) I fully expect that to happen. But will KW and company realize that even if they're only 5-6 games out that it's time to concede? It didn't happen last year. I realize I'm just a fan and KW has to evaluate/operate in a certain manner, but the best GM's know when it's time to raise the white flag. I have my doubts that they will realize this. They should have realized it last year when Atlanta was offering legit prospects for Carlos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LVSoxFan Posted May 17, 2012 Share Posted May 17, 2012 Should we also consider that AJ and Paulie are at the twilight of their careers and still productive and JR may want to give them a chance to play for a winner before they retire? Didn't one of them sort of hint at that before the season started? I think it was Paulie. My point: if we're clearly out of this before or at the ASB, rebuild or no rebuild they would probably go as would Peavy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cali Posted May 17, 2012 Share Posted May 17, 2012 The Sox don't know how to suck terribly. They only know how to be okay. And that's 10X more frustrating.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balfanman Posted May 17, 2012 Share Posted May 17, 2012 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 17, 2012 -> 12:00 PM) If this team plays .500 or better ball, this is a good thing. It's not happening unless the struggling part of the pitching rotation steps up, the young guys in the bullpen step up, and some out of Beckham/Morel/Viciedo/Lillibrige/Flowers step up. And they found their leadoff hitter for the next few years in De Aza, and Dunn and Rios continued playing pretty well. Meaning, if this team plays well against NL teams and pushes up to .500, they've actually set themselves up surprisingly well for next year, because Peavy and AJ's contracts clear, saving $28 million ($5 million or so of that spent on the Danks extension already). That means the Sox could be legit players in FA for someone really big, like Hamels or Hell even Hamilton, as long as it starts with an H, and that could well push this team to be a legit player next year. Hunter! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LVSoxFan Posted May 17, 2012 Share Posted May 17, 2012 QUOTE (Cali @ May 17, 2012 -> 02:28 PM) The Sox don't know how to suck terribly. They only know how to be okay. And that's 10X more frustrating.... Agreed. I'd rather be terrible than... well, what this team has been for years now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 17, 2012 Share Posted May 17, 2012 QUOTE (docsox24 @ May 17, 2012 -> 01:31 PM) I have my doubts that they will realize this. They should have realized it last year when Atlanta was offering legit prospects for Carlos. We might turn out okay with Hernandez and Castro, though. There's certainly no guarantee we would have gotten the same prospects the Astros ended up getting for Bourn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted May 17, 2012 Share Posted May 17, 2012 If he trades Konerko, he better get something good for him. If we still had Mark and Gio, think how good our rotation would be!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted May 17, 2012 Share Posted May 17, 2012 For the people on the "let's hope we suck so we can sell" kick, what exactly do we have to sell and how much are we really going to get for them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted May 17, 2012 Share Posted May 17, 2012 QUOTE (docsox24 @ May 17, 2012 -> 01:31 PM) I have my doubts that they will realize this. They should have realized it last year when Atlanta was offering legit prospects for Carlos. Has this been confirmed yet? Soxtalk kept talking about all the prospects Atlanta was offering, yet I never heard of anyone else saying it or confirming it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted May 17, 2012 Share Posted May 17, 2012 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ May 17, 2012 -> 05:20 PM) Has this been confirmed yet? Soxtalk kept talking about all the prospects Atlanta was offering, yet I never heard of anyone else saying it or confirming it. I'd say it didn't happen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted May 17, 2012 Share Posted May 17, 2012 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 17, 2012 -> 01:00 PM) Meaning, if this team plays well against NL teams and pushes up to .500, they've actually set themselves up surprisingly well for next year, because Peavy and AJ's contracts clear, saving $28 million ($5 million or so of that spent on the Danks extension already). That means the Sox could be legit players in FA for someone really big, like Hamels or Hell even Hamilton, as long as it starts with an H, and that could well push this team to be a legit player next year. This is funny because you are so adamant about the Sox having no chance this year. Forget about winning the division, the Sox have a better chance at winning the 2012 World Series than they have at signing Hamels or Hamilton this winter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted May 18, 2012 Share Posted May 18, 2012 QUOTE (Marty34 @ May 17, 2012 -> 06:51 PM) This is funny because you are so adamant about the Sox having no chance this year. Forget about winning the division, the Sox have a better chance at winning the 2012 World Series than they have at signing Hamels or Hamilton this winter. I'll agree with this. Morel has a better chance of winning the triple crown than the Sox signing either of those guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted May 18, 2012 Share Posted May 18, 2012 QUOTE (Jake @ May 17, 2012 -> 05:39 PM) I'd say it didn't happen If Doc said it did, there is a good chance it did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted May 18, 2012 Share Posted May 18, 2012 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 17, 2012 -> 01:00 PM) If this team plays .500 or better ball, this is a good thing. It's not happening unless the struggling part of the pitching rotation steps up, the young guys in the bullpen step up, and some out of Beckham/Morel/Viciedo/Lillibrige/Flowers step up. And they found their leadoff hitter for the next few years in De Aza, and Dunn and Rios continued playing pretty well. Meaning, if this team plays well against NL teams and pushes up to .500, they've actually set themselves up surprisingly well for next year, because Peavy and AJ's contracts clear, saving $28 million ($5 million or so of that spent on the Danks extension already). That means the Sox could be legit players in FA for someone really big, like Hamels or Hell even Hamilton, as long as it starts with an H, and that could well push this team to be a legit player next year. I hadn't thought about it much, but it's feasible that with the right players coming around this year we could be a few FA signings away from a favorite-esque team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted May 18, 2012 Share Posted May 18, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 17, 2012 -> 07:18 PM) I'll agree with this. Morel has a better chance of winning the triple crown than the Sox signing either of those guys. That's Balta's plan and it's flawed in a couple of ways. First, it's beyond ridiculous to think either one of those guys signs with the Sox. Second, if they did sign one of those guys and lost Peavy, they'd be no better off next year than they are right now. Edited May 18, 2012 by Marty34 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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