southsider2k5 Posted May 17, 2012 Share Posted May 17, 2012 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ May 17, 2012 -> 03:51 PM) Jaywalking is not legal by that interpretation. But neither is arresting and detaining a jaywalker without warning. Please read the 7th Circuit ruling to familiarize yourself with what actually happened in this case and why the court ruled the way it did. So by your definition giving someone a ticket for jaywalking is illegal, because that is exactly what is happening. So would a parking ticket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted May 17, 2012 Share Posted May 17, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 17, 2012 -> 03:54 PM) "Hey guy shooting someone! That is illegal. Now I can arrest you." Please read the court decision to understand why you are wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 17, 2012 Share Posted May 17, 2012 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ May 17, 2012 -> 03:55 PM) Please read the court decision to understand why you are wrong. Only if you don't warn me, that way I can't be arrested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted May 17, 2012 Share Posted May 17, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 17, 2012 -> 03:55 PM) So by your definition giving someone a ticket for jaywalking is illegal, because that is exactly what is happening. So would a parking ticket. No, that's incorrect as well. Being issued a citation is not the same as being arrested and detained, which is what these protesters were compensated for. Issuing mass amounts of jaywalking or other appropriate citations would probably not have been illegal, but arresting and detaining them was. Edited May 17, 2012 by StrangeSox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted May 17, 2012 Share Posted May 17, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 17, 2012 -> 04:55 PM) So by your definition giving someone a ticket for jaywalking is illegal, because that is exactly what is happening. So would a parking ticket. If Jaywalking laws effectively outlaw gatherings for protest, that would verge on making them unconstitutional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted May 17, 2012 Share Posted May 17, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 17, 2012 -> 03:56 PM) Only if you don't warn me, that way I can't be arrested. This is iron-clad logic, in that it's impervious to any sort of new information. Choose to remain willfully ignorant in this case as well, I don't particularly care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted May 17, 2012 Author Share Posted May 17, 2012 Well, i'm hoping that SS and Balta are right, that all these protestors will be peaceful. I have to go to court monday morning. Suit+Daley Plaza+NATO summit means i'm getting piss thrown on me. Enjoy your f'n freedom! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted May 17, 2012 Share Posted May 17, 2012 Jenks, Check to make sure court is open, we were just told that it will be closed on Monday. I cant confirm online, and they werent scheduling that day for the last 3 months, so I dont know if its true as every Judge I have didnt schedule any cases basically this week or the beginning of next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted May 17, 2012 Share Posted May 17, 2012 QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ May 17, 2012 -> 04:51 PM) Well, i'm hoping that SS and Balta are right, that all these protestors will be peaceful. I have to go to court monday morning. Suit+Daley Plaza+NATO summit means i'm getting piss thrown on me. Enjoy your f'n freedom! That sucks that you have to go down there. Any s***head who is doing something like that should be arrested, charged properly and be subject to a civil suit from their victims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted May 17, 2012 Share Posted May 17, 2012 BTW protesters throwing urine or feces seems to be an unsubstantiated myth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted May 17, 2012 Author Share Posted May 17, 2012 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ May 17, 2012 -> 04:56 PM) Jenks, Check to make sure court is open, we were just told that it will be closed on Monday. I cant confirm online, and they werent scheduling that day for the last 3 months, so I dont know if its true as every Judge I have didnt schedule any cases basically this week or the beginning of next. They let me set it up (emergency motion). I'm going to try to get the other side to agree to kick a deposition date in lieu of having to argue this motion Monday. Doubt they'll go along with it UNLESS they're one of the lucky firms that told people to take a day off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted May 17, 2012 Author Share Posted May 17, 2012 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ May 17, 2012 -> 05:08 PM) BTW protesters throwing urine or feces seems to be an unsubstantiated myth. Well, unless the good friend of the other associate in my office is lying, it's not. It happened earlier this week (w/ puke). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted May 17, 2012 Share Posted May 17, 2012 He could be. I'm going to remain doubtful given the lack of confirmed reports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted May 17, 2012 Author Share Posted May 17, 2012 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ May 17, 2012 -> 05:17 PM) He could be. I'm going to remain doubtful given the lack of confirmed reports. clearly it's something being talked about if the security services are telling people to dress down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted May 17, 2012 Share Posted May 17, 2012 QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ May 17, 2012 -> 05:11 PM) They let me set it up (emergency motion). I'm going to try to get the other side to agree to kick a deposition date in lieu of having to argue this motion Monday. Doubt they'll go along with it UNLESS they're one of the lucky firms that told people to take a day off. Damn that sucks and Im really surprised. Just yesterday Maddux wasnt letting anyone file emergency motions for Monday or Tuesday. Id keep checking, because they did close the court for that Snow storm, so its still possible. The worst is when you show up and there is no judge and they just give you a continuance. They may want you to just send in an agreed order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted May 17, 2012 Share Posted May 17, 2012 QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ May 17, 2012 -> 05:23 PM) clearly it's something being talked about if the security services are telling people to dress down. But it's based on a myth. It's not something that's ever been documented as happening to my knowledge, but the companies that sells the face shields to police love to talk it up. Security forces can tell you to do something based on crappy information, like when they told everyone to buy duct tape to protect against Saddam's WMD's. Dressing down is going to make you less of a target for harassment in general during the protests, but that doesn't mean physical violence necessarily (I'd include that sort of act as physical violence). You even said in your original post "who knows if this is true." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (StrangeSox @ May 17, 2012 -> 10:02 PM) That sucks that you have to go down there. Any s***head who is doing something like that should be arrested, charged properly and be subject to a civil suit from their victims. Agreed. What do you guys think of the guy running timcast.com getting pulled over last night. Seems like too much to be a coincidence. Cops drew their guns on the timcast.com guy n his two friends. All sorts of weird questions pop in my head when I think of protestors who march, then park in front of the mayor's house, etc. Like ... -- If the protestors walked on the lawns on people on the far southside there'd be some ass kicking going on by the homeowners. They are mighty proud of those small plots of grass on the southside. I saw on the video the protestors were trampling some lawns. -- What does a protestor do if he needs to take a leak? Nobody's gonna let them in their house or restaurant? Slugging all that water down all day and gatorade while walking ... what happens? Ah my mind races when the Sox win 4 in a row. Edited May 21, 2012 by greg775 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (greg775 @ May 20, 2012 -> 11:43 PM) Agreed. What do you guys think of the guy running timcast.com getting pulled over last night. Seems like too much to be a coincidence. Cops drew their guns on the timcast.com guy n his two friends. All sorts of weird questions pop in my head when I think of protestors who march, then park in front of the mayor's house, etc. Like ... -- If the protestors walked on the lawns on people on the far southside there'd be some ass kicking going on by the homeowners. They are mighty proud of those small plots of grass on the southside. I saw on the video the protestors were trampling some lawns. -- What does a protestor do if he needs to take a leak? Nobody's gonna let them in their house or restaurant? Slugging all that water down all day and gatorade while walking ... what happens? Ah my mind races when the Sox win 4 in a row. Sounds like an active imagination from individuals with a police scanner armed with paranoia. I guess the lrad's have them all in a bunch tonight. Edited May 21, 2012 by southsideirish71 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted May 21, 2012 Author Share Posted May 21, 2012 Back from court with no bodily fluid incidents. Hoorah! Gotta say, unless something happens today, this gigantic pain in the ass of a weekend was not worth the hype. That "incident" last night that was covered by every news channel for 2 hours was much ado about nothing. "Cops are walking towards the crowd now. The crowd is....still being a crowd. Oh, more cops have shown up! The crowd is...still a crowd. OH OH! They arrested someone!! And the cops are walking again!!!" Ugh. They covered that story like it was a Katrina-type natural disaster. Have to ask too, for all of those out there that think violent/disruptive protests lead to something - what exactly did those hardcore protestors gain last night? You know what wasn't really covered? The rally. You know what was for 2 hours? A small number of people being dicks for no reason. Message 100% lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ May 21, 2012 -> 11:27 AM) Have to ask too, for all of those out there that think violent/disruptive protests lead to something - what exactly did those hardcore protestors gain last night? You know what wasn't really covered? The rally. You know what was for 2 hours? A small number of people being dicks for no reason. Message 100% lost. union park protester this morning: "Why are you guys protesting Boeing's empty building?" "They are an evil corporation aimed at hurting innocent people" blah blah blah "Are you from the chicago area, are you a local?" "Nah I flew in from out of town" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 I think I was the only one who said that violent protests may *possibly* be justified in some circumstances. This wouldn't be one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 QUOTE (RockRaines @ May 21, 2012 -> 11:33 AM) union park protester this morning: "Why are you guys protesting Boeing's empty building?" "They are an evil corporation aimed at hurting innocent people" blah blah blah "Are you from the chicago area, are you a local?" "Nah I flew in from out of town" They made sure they flew airbus! Boeing is a huge military contractor, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ May 21, 2012 -> 11:33 AM) I think I was the only one who said that violent protests may *possibly* be justified in some circumstances. This wouldn't be one of them. These people have no message, they are weakly organized and have been infiltrated with people so dedicated to their message getting out that they cover their faces. The civil rights protests shown earlier in this thread were real people trying to do real things for their cause no matter what happened to them, these people are lost souls IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ May 21, 2012 -> 11:33 AM) They made sure they flew airbus! Boeing is a huge military contractor, though. I'm aware it was just so hilarious. The same message is repeated when you see half the crowd has a damn starbucks coffee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 QUOTE (RockRaines @ May 21, 2012 -> 11:34 AM) These people have no message, they are weakly organized and have been infiltrated with people so dedicated to their message getting out that they cover their faces. The civil rights protests shown earlier in this thread were real people trying to do real things for their cause no matter what happened to them, these people are lost souls IMO. There's a bunch of different groups, not all with the same message and goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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