Refuse to pay tip ~ Family locked in restaurant

[Iwritecode]

We didn't have a problem counting our other daughter who was almost 2 at the time because she was actually sitting at the table and we were actually ordering food for her.

 

But the baby never even left her carrier and needed no attention from the waitress at all. No crackers, no crayons, no drinks.

[Balta1701]

While we are on the topic of this kind of stuff, I can not STAND when guests come in and refuse to sit where I seat them. I can understand if they want a booth over a table, I can understand if they want a bigger booth over a 2-seater one, and I can understand if they want to sit by the bathroom or sit near a window so they can watch their car/motor cycle. But I can't stand when they don't even ASK if they can have a new seat. Not to sounds racially insensitive, but I work in a town that is about 50% white and 50% minority, and about 90% of the time it's a black person telling me in a ghetto tone "Nahh nahh, we ain't finna sit there. We gone sit right hurr" and will move themselves. Or sometimes they will stop following me and go to their own seat "Yeaaa, uh, we need menus over here, we ain't gunna sit on that side." It's very frustrating. It's funny and a little bit awkward when some of our black servers come up to me and say "Come on man, don't sit me any more black tables, I can't stand them". lol.....umm?

 

Anyway, yeah, pretty much anyone who doesn't have the decency to ask if they can have a new table pisses me off. Do people not understand hosts have a rotation to follow? And when someone gets skipped, the servers b**** at us for skipping them, even if it's not our fault? And then if one section gets triple sat, they get in the weeds and we get blamed?

This happens?

[ChiliIrishHammock24]

I always found tipping to be ridiculous, in just about any venue, especially restaurants. My wife and I normally go to dinner on friday or saturday night, anywhere from $40-50 for the meal between the two of us. I get a beer or two, she doesn't. So the total work in about 30 minutes is (1) bringing menus, (2) taking order, (3) bringing a beer or two, (4) delivering food, (5) bringing the check. And I'm supposed to fork over $10 bucks for that? $10 bucks for what amounts to running 4 to 5 errands?

 

I tip guys at the Cell 20-30% because they're hauling a s*** ton of beer up and downstairs so that I can remain seated and enjoy the game. THAT is work. Bringing me some paper and a plate is not.

 

I agree 100% that tipping should be outlawed and waitstaff should just be paid a decent wage.

 

I know someone who puts a stack of 10 one-dollar bills on the table and tells the server "This is your tip. Every time you mess up, I take away a dollar."

 

I always thought that was a good idea, but a ballsy one too.

[Jenksismyhero]

I know someone who puts a stack of 10 one-dollar bills on the table and tells the server "This is your tip. Every time you mess up, I take away a dollar."

 

I always thought that was a good idea, but a ballsy one too.

 

Ha. After watching that movie Waiting, I'd be terrified of finding a pubic hair in my food.

[Texsox]

Up north

[Texsox]

I know someone who puts a stack of 10 one-dollar bills on the table and tells the server "This is your tip. Every time you mess up, I take away a dollar."

 

I always thought that was a good idea, but a ballsy one too.

 

 

I ripped a $20 in two and explained to a bartender and a Snuggery (back in the day) it wasn't worth anything to either of us. His tip would be the other half if he took care of us. he did and made a few more bucks from us. It became a regular thing until he got to know us.

[BigSqwert]

I know someone who puts a stack of 10 one-dollar bills on the table and tells the server "This is your tip. Every time you mess up, I take away a dollar."

 

I always thought that was a good idea, but a ballsy one too.

 

 

I ripped a $20 in two and explained to a bartender and a Snuggery (back in the day) it wasn't worth anything to either of us. His tip would be the other half if he took care of us. he did and made a few more bucks from us. It became a regular thing until he got to know us.

 

This would be enough reason for me to be a terrible server to that person. I'd focus my time and efforts on other tables.

[southsider2k5]

Ha. After watching that movie Waiting, I'd be terrified of finding a pubic hair in my food.

 

That movie scarred me for life.

[knightni]

I got $1 per pizza delivery to cover gas and insurance. A buck doesn't go very far when people don't tip like they should.

[Texsox]

I got $1 per pizza delivery to cover gas and insurance. A buck doesn't go very far when people don't tip like they should.

 

 

In 1980 or 1981 I was getting between $2 and $5 from Pat's Pizza up in Grayslake plus tips. He added it to the bill and 100% went to the drivers if they were driving their own vehicles. He changed it when he started providing the vehicles.

[knightni]

In 1980 or 1981 I was getting between $2 and $5 from Pat's Pizza up in Grayslake plus tips. He added it to the bill and 100% went to the drivers if they were driving their own vehicles. He changed it when he started providing the vehicles.

They'd charge $2 to the customer and keep half. The customer took it out on me by not tipping.

[Texsox]

He kept most of it when he was supplying the delivery truck. I remember a couple times when I had poor nights he would slip me $5 or $10 and say thank you.

 

Back to tipping, why don't we tip the chef, cooks, etc? Don't they work hard to prepare the meals? Damn, a nice steak dinnr might be $5 plus tips to everyone lol

[ChiliIrishHammock24]

This happens?

 

Oh my god, all the time. I almost knocked a woman out last weekend. I don't think I actually would have, but I was so pissed off I had to go to the back and calm down for a minute. She had a party of 8. Then it was 10. Then it was 12. We had a ton of huge parties that night, so i told her it would be about 45-1 hour before I could seat them all together, or about 10 minutes if they wanted to break up. She said they can break up. So I showed her the 3 tables (each seat 4 people) that I was going to put them at. She said ok. I put the menus down and seat them. Then she says "Naaahhh, you know what, we are going to take this big one instead" and tried to tell her that the three tables I gave her were all within the same section, so it would all be the same server, and she said "You know what, at this point, it don't even matta. We gon take that big booth over there too because we all finna eat. They too hungry and I ain't playing right now." I said, "Yeah, but you were fine with the other tables a minute ago, and I don't want to have servers taking tables in other sections. She then ignored me and told her kids to go grab the big booth that I had saved for another group of people at the door. I was livid, but our managers would never stand up against a guest, so she got her way and I just had to ignore her the rest of the night.

[Iwritecode]

I know that servers have a lower minimum wage than other jobs. But I remember reading somewhere that if for whatever reason they don't make enough in tips to bring them up to the "regular" minimum wage, their employer is required to make up the difference. Is this true?

[southsider2k5]

I know that servers have a lower minimum wage than other jobs. But I remember reading somewhere that if for whatever reason they don't make enough in tips to bring them up to the "regular" minimum wage, their employer is required to make up the difference. Is this true?

 

It is true.

[Balta1701]

It is true.

Seems like it might well be difficult to enforce though?

[Iwritecode]

So then the commonly held theory that servers rely on tips to make money doesn't really seem to hold true. They are guaranteed the exact same minimum wage as every other joe-blow standing behind a cash register in a retail store.

 

They simply rely on tips to make more than minimum wage. If restaurants got rid of tips they would probably make less money.

 

[Balta1701]

So then the commonly held theory that servers rely on tips to make money doesn't really seem to hold true. They are guaranteed the exact same minimum wage as every other joe-blow standing behind a cash register in a retail store.

 

They simply rely on tips to make more than minimum wage. If restaurants got rid of tips they would probably make less money.

But that assumes there are other workplace protections. If the workplace starts casually firing the people who actually report that they're not earning enough in tips, well they're in good shape, because they can always say "Taht person wasn't doing their job well and we fired them for that reason" (and if they're not earning enough in tips to reach minimum wage, the employee isn't going to have much of a bargaining chip).

[Iwritecode]

The other side of the coin is that the better they are at their job, the more money they are likely to make.

 

With most other jobs you can bust your ass all day everyday and your paycheck is going to be the same no matter what. Especially with minimum-wage type jobs.

 

[Texsox]

I wonder if that is an hour by hour thing, shift thing, or weekly number.

[ChiliIrishHammock24]

So then the commonly held theory that servers rely on tips to make money doesn't really seem to hold true. They are guaranteed the exact same minimum wage as every other joe-blow standing behind a cash register in a retail store.

 

They simply rely on tips to make more than minimum wage. If restaurants got rid of tips they would probably make less money.

 

Yeah, but it doesn't happen. I've often made less than minimum wage when I used to be a busser, and they never comped me. Hell, for the first 6 months I worked there, they were paying me a server wage ($2.13) instead of the busser wage ($3.50), and even though I brought it up, nothing was done.

[Y2HH]

Yeah, but it doesn't happen. I've often made less than minimum wage when I used to be a busser, and they never comped me. Hell, for the first 6 months I worked there, they were paying me a server wage ($2.13) instead of the busser wage ($3.50), and even though I brought it up, nothing was done.

 

Eh, yes it happens...

 

Maybe not for bussers that aren't being paid properly, but waiters often make way more than minimum wage due to their tips. I don't know why you accepted a server wage when you weren't a server. And waiters at really nice places make far more than minimum wage.

[Balta1701]

Link. None of those "issues" should be all that surprising. 2009 study suggested that out of low wage, hourly workers, more than half had some sort of violation in the law in their pay, including things like not being paid for overtime, not being paid for normal work, etc. 12% of workers who earn tips reported having their supervisors taking portions of those tips (which is also termed stealing). Filed complaints have increased by 400% since 2000.

[ChiliIrishHammock24]

Eh, yes it happens...

 

Maybe not for bussers that aren't being paid properly, but waiters often make way more than minimum wage due to their tips. I don't know why you accepted a server wage when you weren't a server. And waiters at really nice places make far more than minimum wage.

 

I meant to say it doesn't *always* happen.

 

And I didn't KNOW I was supposed to be paid $3.50. I was a 17 year old kid just happy to be making money, I didn't think to ask the other bussers what they were making to see if I was on par with them, hell I am pretty sure that's "illegal".

[BigSqwert]

And waiters at really nice places make far more than minimum wage.

 

Sometimes I wonder why I bothered to go to college. I was pulling in $700 to $800 per week in cash back in the day, working part time.