caulfield12 Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 Except Wilson Alvarez was really powder river when he first arrived out of the Rangers' system in the Baines deal. That kid could throw the ball through a brick wall, always in the mid 90's and even touched 96-97-98 on occasion, when he really needed it. Quintana's more typically in the 89-92 range, but it's definitely working for him so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
He_Gawn Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 Great win. We are playing some impressive ball right now. Is Quintana very highly thought of? Havn't been following our farm teams of late... thanks in advance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 QUOTE (He_Gawn @ May 26, 2012 -> 05:53 AM) Great win. We are playing some impressive ball right now. Is Quintana very highly thought of? Havn't been following our farm teams of late... thanks in advance Nope. But he's now shut down the Indians pretty well on two occasions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 QUOTE (He_Gawn @ May 26, 2012 -> 07:53 AM) Great win. We are playing some impressive ball right now. Is Quintana very highly thought of? Havn't been following our farm teams of late... thanks in advance QUOTE (iamshack @ May 26, 2012 -> 09:06 AM) Nope. But he's now shut down the Indians pretty well on two occasions. He's highly thought of in KWs eyes, and in his first 2 appearances I see why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 QUOTE (2nd_city_saint787 @ May 26, 2012 -> 09:44 AM) He's highly thought of in KWs eyes, and in his first 2 appearances I see why. Then maybe his "eyes" should be paying more attention to whether our "prize" acquisition of the offseason, Molina, was actually playing Winter Ball in Venezuela or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 26, 2012 -> 02:02 PM) Then maybe his "eyes" should be paying more attention to whether our "prize" acquisition of the offseason, Molina, was actually playing Winter Ball in Venezuela or not. What do you honestly know about what KW is or is not looking at? Stop with the grandiose speculation. Molina will get to the majors when ready. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ May 26, 2012 -> 02:06 PM) What do you honestly know about what KW is or is not looking at? Stop with the grandiose speculation. Molina will get to the majors when ready. So if Molina doesn't have a bigger impact than say, Quintana, would you blame that on KW or Paddy? Just curious. Because the fact that he made that mistake in annoucing the trade would lead one to believe he wasn't the key driver on that deal. Yeah, it's speculation, but what else do we have to go on? I'm not trying to be grandiose, but that was our best opportunity of the offseason to get an impact player, and now that window is gone unless we can get something back for Thornton, Crain or Floyd. It's probably NOT going to be THE reason we don't make the playoffs...and maybe there is no way you go out and get a 3B (because of Morel's last 6 weeks) or OF (because you have 3 of them already, plus Lillibridge's 2011)...and the only logical thing at the time was to add to the starting pitching depth. Whoever scouted Quintana in the FSL deserves a ton of credit, though. It's not a league that any of our minor league teams play in, so it doesn't get quite as much coverage or attention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 26, 2012 -> 03:20 PM) So if Molina doesn't have a bigger impact than say, Quintana, would you blame that on KW or Paddy? Just curious. Because the fact that he made that mistake in annoucing the trade would lead one to believe he wasn't the key driver on that deal. Yeah, it's speculation, but what else do we have to go on? I'm not trying to be grandiose, but that was our best opportunity of the offseason to get an impact player, and now that window is gone unless we can get something back for Thornton, Crain or Floyd. It's probably NOT going to be THE reason we don't make the playoffs...and maybe there is no way you go out and get a 3B (because of Morel's last 6 weeks) or OF (because you have 3 of them already, plus Lillibridge's 2011)...and the only logical thing at the time was to add to the starting pitching depth. Whoever scouted Quintana in the FSL deserves a ton of credit, though. It's not a league that any of our minor league teams play in, so it doesn't get quite as much coverage or attention. I go Kenny. Even if Paddy loves him, Kenny makes the final call...and Kenny decides what he's willing to give up for him. He should have gotten a 2nd player back somewhere just to give some insurance incase Molina isn't all that. That said, Molina still has a long way to go before he's a bust. He's a strike thrower...it might well be that he's used to getting people out by throwing in the zone, but now that he's in AA people are hitting his pitches in the zone, so he would instead need to learn to get people out on the corners, and that would take time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 26, 2012 -> 03:20 PM) So if Molina doesn't have a bigger impact than say, Quintana, would you blame that on KW or Paddy? Just curious. Because the fact that he made that mistake in annoucing the trade would lead one to believe he wasn't the key driver on that deal. Yeah, it's speculation, but what else do we have to go on? I'm not trying to be grandiose, but that was our best opportunity of the offseason to get an impact player, and now that window is gone unless we can get something back for Thornton, Crain or Floyd. It's probably NOT going to be THE reason we don't make the playoffs...and maybe there is no way you go out and get a 3B (because of Morel's last 6 weeks) or OF (because you have 3 of them already, plus Lillibridge's 2011)...and the only logical thing at the time was to add to the starting pitching depth. Whoever scouted Quintana in the FSL deserves a ton of credit, though. It's not a league that any of our minor league teams play in, so it doesn't get quite as much coverage or attention. Does it really matter?? Prospects are never a sure thing until they prove it in the bigs. Look at his numbers before this year, absolutely phenomenal. Things just haven't worked out this year for whatever reason. He's still only 23 years old, if he doesnt make the bigs and Santos comes back from his injury and is a solid closer for years to come then yes it would end up being a bad trade....Enough to can KW, hell no, once again look at the kids stats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 26, 2012 -> 02:27 PM) I go Kenny. Even if Paddy loves him, Kenny makes the final call...and Kenny decides what he's willing to give up for him. He should have gotten a 2nd player back somewhere just to give some insurance incase Molina isn't all that. That said, Molina still has a long way to go before he's a bust. He's a strike thrower...it might well be that he's used to getting people out by throwing in the zone, but now that he's in AA people are hitting his pitches in the zone, so he would instead need to learn to get people out on the corners, and that would take time. Just interesting that there's someone with a very similar fastball in Quintana, and left-handed...and less experienced in the minors, and he's already "major league ready" and didn't cost us anything. I really wonder who was able to straighten out Quintana so quickly to the point where he was the best candidate to be promoted...or if it was mostly a case of the LH-dominated Indians' line-up? Because they could have just as easily chosen to go with Hernandez or even started Santiago and probably gotten 3-4 IP out of him. Edited May 26, 2012 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 QUOTE (2nd_city_saint787 @ May 26, 2012 -> 02:35 PM) Does it really matter?? Prospects are never a sure thing until they prove it in the bigs. Look at his numbers before this year, absolutely phenomenal. Things just haven't worked out this year for whatever reason. He's still only 23 years old, if he doesnt make the bigs and Santos comes back from his injury and is a solid closer for years to come then yes it would end up being a bad trade....Enough to can KW, hell no, once again look at the kids stats. Stats don't mean as much before AA. They're one indicator, but making that jump from High A to AA is usually the hardest one in terms of adjustments to the level of talent. In the end, it's always about making projections and weighing potential, risk vs. reward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 I'm not blaming anyone over Molina 50 games into the season in a Winner thread discussing a well pitched game by a rookie. The end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 White Sox offensive ranks now... 7th in Runs Scored 6th in Homers 5th in SLG 6th in OPS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 26, 2012 -> 03:01 PM) White Sox offensive ranks now... 7th in Runs Scored 6th in Homers 5th in SLG 6th in OPS AL or MLB? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 Those are MLB ranks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 26, 2012 -> 03:01 PM) White Sox offensive ranks now... 7th in Runs Scored 6th in Homers 5th in SLG 6th in OPS I sure as hell did not see this coming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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