White Sox a playoff "favorite"

[southsider2k5]

Sox breakdown at link

 

http://www.coolstandings.com/baseball_team...CHW&sn=2012

[jenksycat]

ah the fall is gonna be so terrible this year....enjoy it while it lasts.

[2nd_city_saint787]

ah the fall is gonna be so terrible this year....enjoy it while it lasts.

 

 

ye have little faith, want a cookie?

[Jake]

15 games apiece against KC and Minny? That should be a nice buffer for our record.

 

Well everybody....we hold the cards. That is nice.

[hogan873]

Funny how the Sox went from a 95-loss team to a playoff favorite. I realize it's not the same people making the predictions, but many are looking at the Sox differently now. Just about everything that went wrong last year is going right this year. Plus Konerko is playing out of his gourd, Sale is wowing just about everyone, and we've found a closer.

 

 

[chw42]

15 games apiece against KC and Minny? That should be a nice buffer for our record.

 

Well everybody....we hold the cards. That is nice.

 

Or it could be an awful stretch of games we should have won, but didn't...

 

History tells us that what I just said is very likely.

[Jake]

As good as Paulie's been playing, his run production isn't unsustainable. He's had a lot of hits that have wound up meaningless, due in part to poor play in the 2 hole for much of the season and Dunn capitalizing on many of the RBI opportunities.

[Texsox]

I see a stretch that will balance this coming up. I am still not convinced that this is a play off team. But in this division, who knows, could happen.

[2nd_city_saint787]

i posted this in response to my buddy whos a cubs fan calling this team garbage...."a year removed from being "all in" which was their attempt at winning a title. They got rid of Buehrle and replaced him with Chris Sale which is an upgrade (minus the innings). Replaced Carlos Quentin with Dayan Viceido which is at the very least a push. Replaced Juan Pierre with De Aza which so far has been a clear upgrade. Replaced Sergio Santos with Addison Reed which is an upgrade so far, and most importantly the replaced last years Dunn, Peavy, and Rios with the real Dunn, Peavy, and Rios....Thats my explanations as to why i think the sox will compete and at the very least not be "garbage"

 

Is my logic really that off?? I mean its hard to believe you sox fans on here dont see this.

[chw42]

i posted this in response to my buddy whos a cubs fan calling this team garbage...."a year removed from being "all in" which was their attempt at winning a title. They got rid of Buehrle and replaced him with Chris Sale which is an upgrade (minus the innings). Replaced Carlos Quentin with Dayan Viceido which is at the very least a push. Replaced Juan Pierre with De Aza which so far has been a clear upgrade. Replaced Sergio Santos with Addison Reed which is an upgrade so far, and most importantly the replaced last years Dunn, Peavy, and Rios with the real Dunn, Peavy, and Rios....Thats my explanations as to why i think the sox will compete and at the very least not be "garbage"

 

Is my logic really that off?? I mean its hard to believe you sox fans on here dont see this.

 

His logic is off for calling this team garbage...

 

Just tell him to look at his team. That is the definition of garbage.

[southsider2k5]

I see a stretch that will balance this coming up. I am still not convinced that this is a play off team. But in this division, who knows, could happen.

 

We just came off a 7-15 stretch. I would say this is the balancing of that one.

[2nd_city_saint787]

His logic is off for calling this team garbage...

 

Just tell him to look at his team. That is the definition of garbage.

 

Hes already admitted to this, he says both teams are garbage...he thinks the sox will still finish 4th in the division.

 

My logic behind why this team will compete seems pretty legit to me.

 

 

[Chisoxfn]

I'm going to enjoy this one day at a time.

[Jake]

In the interest of full disclosure, we've had a drop in production at 3B, SS, Danks, Humber, (maybe Floyd)

 

Improvement in those areas or just meeting where they were last year could balance out some of these overperformers or even push us over the top.

[Heads22]

I'm going to enjoy this one day at a time.

 

I really haven't enjoyed following the Sox this much since our superhuman run a couple years ago.

[southsider2k5]

I'm going to enjoy this one day at a time.

 

Word. It could end just as quickly.

[chw42]

Hes already admitted to this, he says both teams are garbage...he thinks the sox will still finish 4th in the division.

 

My logic behind why this team will compete seems pretty legit to me.

 

Ask him how they will finish 4th. He does realize that Kansas City and Minnesota are awful right?

 

You don't somehow have a garbage team when you have the 2nd best run differential in the AL after 48 games. That just doesn't come out of thin air, you have to be doing something right.

 

The Sox are 4th in the AL in runs per game and tied with the Yankees. Yeah, the Yankees. They're 5th in team OPS. They have the 5th best ERA+ and they're 6th in runs allowed.

 

The Cubs?

 

They're averaging a whole run less than the Sox on offense, good for 3rd to last in the NL. Their team ERA+ is the 4th worst in the NL. So you have one team that's in the upper third of almost every offensive/pitching category in the stronger league and then you have another that's in the lower 4th of everything in the weaker league. Ask him to enlighten you how both teams are somehow in the same garbage echelon.

 

Please tell him to do some research before he speaks again.

[Y2HH]

The White Sox have one of the best run differentials in baseball.

 

That's why.

 

Edit: Which I now noticed the guy above me pointed out. Thank you, it's about time someone noticed that.

Edited May 29, 2012 by Y2HH

[Jake]

I looked at the numbers of PK-Thome-Dye in the 2006 season and I can't believe that team didn't make the playoffs. I've reached the conclusion that numbers don't matter.

[Cali]

At least the All-Star break won't get in the way of this mini-run like in '10...

[iamshack]

Ask him how they will finish 4th. He does realize that Kansas City and Minnesota are awful right?

 

You don't somehow have a garbage team when you have the 2nd best run differential in the AL after 48 games. That just doesn't come out of thin air, you have to be doing something right.

 

The Sox are 4th in the AL in runs per game and tied with the Yankees. Yeah, the Yankees. They're 5th in team OPS. They have the 5th best ERA+ and they're 6th in runs allowed.

 

The Cubs?

 

They're averaging a whole run less than the Sox on offense, good for 3rd to last in the NL. Their team ERA+ is the 4th worst in the NL. So you have one team that's in the upper third of almost every offensive/pitching category in the stronger league and then you have another that's in the lower 4th of everything in the weaker league. Ask him to enlighten you how both teams are somehow in the same garbage echelon.

 

Please tell him to do some research before he speaks again.

The only thing I don't like about throwing all these numbers around is that they were profoundly influenced by the last 10 games or so. Certainly everyone's numbers have been influenced in that way, save, say the Rangers, who have probably been the most consistent team in the AL, but I think we need to see a bigger sample size before we start focusing too much on all of this.

 

If we are indeed the favorite to win the division, it is because our division sucks, first and foremost. Secondly, it's because the Tigers have drastically underperformed to this point in the season. However, despite the fact that that could indeed last all season long (see 2011 White Sox), I think we need to expect them to start winning more ballgames.

 

Let's get the starting pitching straightened out a bit, continue to win games at home, and continue to win series'. If we do that, everything else will take care of itself.

[chw42]

I looked at the numbers of PK-Thome-Dye in the 2006 season and I can't believe that team didn't make the playoffs. I've reached the conclusion that numbers don't matter.

 

Look at the pitching numbers, you'll see why we didn't make the playoffs.

[chw42]

The only thing I don't like about throwing all these numbers around is that they were profoundly influenced by the last 10 games or so. Certainly everyone's numbers have been influenced in that way, save, say the Rangers, who have probably been the most consistent team in the AL, but I think we need to see a bigger sample size before we start focusing too much on all of this.

 

If we are indeed the favorite to win the division, it is because our division sucks, first and foremost. Secondly, it's because the Tigers have drastically underperformed to this point in the season. However, despite the fact that that could indeed last all season long (see 2011 White Sox), I think we need to expect them to start winning more ballgames.

 

Let's get the starting pitching straightened out a bit, continue to win games at home, and continue to win series'. If we do that, everything else will take care of itself.

 

That is the issue with stats that this point in the season, but hey, I was just giving him some material to say to his stupid Cubs fan friend.

[2nd_city_saint787]

Ask him how they will finish 4th. He does realize that Kansas City and Minnesota are awful right?

 

You don't somehow have a garbage team when you have the 2nd best run differential in the AL after 48 games. That just doesn't come out of thin air, you have to be doing something right.

 

The Sox are 4th in the AL in runs per game and tied with the Yankees. Yeah, the Yankees. They're 5th in team OPS. They have the 5th best ERA+ and they're 6th in runs allowed.

 

The Cubs?

 

They're averaging a whole run less than the Sox on offense, good for 3rd to last in the NL. Their team ERA+ is the 4th worst in the NL. So you have one team that's in the upper third of almost every offensive/pitching category in the stronger league and then you have another that's in the lower 4th of everything in the weaker league. Ask him to enlighten you how both teams are somehow in the same garbage echelon.

 

Please tell him to do some research before he speaks again.

 

Have you seen the posts I make on this board lol trust me ive gone there with all of the above. Hes a hard headed cubs fan, a fellow rugby player whos gotten knocked out a few too many times id say....I can and will argue till no end on why I believe this team is a playoff team.

 

[balfanman]

Ask him how they will finish 4th. He does realize that Kansas City and Minnesota are awful right?

 

Please tell him to do some research before he speaks again.

 

I believe that Kansas City is well above 500 other than their 12 game losing streak, not exactly gimmes.

 

Not saying, I'm just saying.

Edited May 29, 2012 by balfanman