Soxfest Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 QUOTE (Capn12 @ Jun 6, 2012 -> 09:42 PM) Andddddddddddddd....game. Santiago really has no value whatsoever anymore to this team. AAA is where he belongs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 QUOTE (Capn12 @ Jun 7, 2012 -> 03:42 AM) Andddddddddddddd....game. Santiago really has no value whatsoever anymore to this team. He's one of those guys in a few years when Reed and Jones hopefully are studs that we joke about how he was the closer for a month over those guys. That screwball is a mediocre pitch, and to be honest, the Sox should scrap it and work on other secondary pitches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffro2525 Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 Bautista gonna be swinging out of his shoes here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 Hector Santiago f***ing sucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jun 6, 2012 -> 08:45 PM) Hector Santiago f***ing sucks In all fairness, the last two games, you could say that about most of the players on our roster. Lillibridge, Fukudome, Ohman, Stewart, Hudson, etc. Viciedo's ice cold, Beckham's fallen off again, no Konerko...we're scuffling, but it's only 2 games. And we're still in first place. And Detroit's in much worse shape than we are. Although the mysterious home woes continue again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 6, 2012 -> 09:44 PM) Well, whatever he threw for the homer, that most assuredly wasn't good. Might as well let him go back down to start in the minors and give Quintana his spot for now. Assuming Humber's not banished from the rotation soon. How is he going to be a starter when he throws 25 pitches every inning? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jun 7, 2012 -> 03:45 AM) Hector Santiago f***ing sucks He's only allowed one run all year prior to the 9th inning or later of a game. He can be a decent long reliever for this team right now. His biggest issue is that 1 out of every 10 righties he's faced this year has hit a homer off of him (5-50). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 6, 2012 -> 09:47 PM) In all fairness, the last two games, you could say that about most of the players on our roster. Lillibridge, Fukudome, Ohman, Stewart, Hudson, etc. Viciedo's ice cold, Beckham's fallen off again, no Konerko...we're scuffling, but it's only 2 games. And we're still in first place. And Detroit's in much worse shape than we are. Although the mysterious home woes continue again. I'm not talking about the last two games. When has Hector Santiago been good? What has he had one or two good outings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffro2525 Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 The Sox just don't need 3 lefties in the pen. All season in games like this, where the Sox are trying to just stay in a game, we have to trot Santiago and Ohman out there for full innings because we can't waste or core bullpen guys in catchup games...and game in game out 2 run deficits turn into 5 and 6 run deficits and we can't even hope for a comeback. Just get rid of one of them and bring up Bruney or Axelrod. They would have a better chance at holding the opposition than Santiago or Ohman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 How many failed relievers became good starters? It happens the other way frequently. I don't know of anyone. I think Santiago could become pretty decent, but chances are 4 years from now we won't even remember him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 6, 2012 -> 09:48 PM) He's only allowed one run all year prior to the 9th inning or later of a game. He can be a decent long reliever for this team right now. His biggest issue is that 1 out of every 10 righties he's faced this year has hit a homer off of him (5-50). He has a 96% strand rate. Do you know how insanely lucky that is? He's been worth -0.3 WAR this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 7, 2012 -> 03:47 AM) In all fairness, the last two games, you could say that about most of the players on our roster. Lillibridge, Fukudome, Ohman, Stewart, Hudson, etc. Viciedo's ice cold, Beckham's fallen off again, no Konerko...we're scuffling, but it's only 2 games. And we're still in first place. And Detroit's in much worse shape than we are. Although the mysterious home woes continue again. People really shouldn't overreact about yesterday and today's game. We faced their two best pitchers (by far) with our #5 and someone who started the year in AA. Sox are without Konerko (Blue Jays are missing their best hitter on the season also though), which really illustrates just how much our bench players have absolutely sucked this season. Having to play Flowers against Morrow was an 0-3 waiting to happen. Tomorrow is a game the Sox should be much more competitive in, so hopefully they win 3 of next 4 before going to face some damn good pitching next week on the road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 QUOTE (jeffro2525 @ Jun 6, 2012 -> 09:50 PM) The Sox just don't need 3 lefties in the pen. All season in games like this, where the Sox are trying to just stay in a game, we have to trot Santiago and Ohman out there for full innings because we can't waste or core bullpen guys in catchup games...and game in game out 2 run deficits turn into 5 and 6 run deficits and we can't even hope for a comeback. Just get rid of one of them and bring up Bruney or Axelrod. They would have a better chance at holding the opposition than Santiago or Ohman. I think they do. Once Robin starts heading out to the mound, he seems to wear out a path. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 You're not going to win if you don't score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 I don't believe that's the screwball he's getting hurt on. I think it's a changeup. The 76-79 pitch that breaks away from righties is the screwball, and he rarely throws it. It's clear that the move to the bullpen has cost him part, or perhaps all, of his repertoire. You'll see his fangraphs page calls its a split finger and you'll see the difference in his use this year compared to last. http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playe...&position=P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 Guys, the rumors last week were that more than a 3rd baseman, the Sox were probably going to be looking for an experienced bullpen guy to help out. I disagree with this, as I think 3rd base is a much bigger concern for this team. However, if they stay in contention, we'll probably see a few new players added to the roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 So, um, when are Gordon Jr. and Sully coming back? 0-7 since they left after going 6-16, 3 homers and 8 RBI when they were here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 6, 2012 -> 09:53 PM) Guys, the rumors last week were that more than a 3rd baseman, the Sox were probably going to be looking for an experienced bullpen guy to help out. I disagree with this, as I think 3rd base is a much bigger concern for this team. However, if they stay in contention, we'll probably see a few new players added to the roster. I did read that bullpen rumor, but I think they need a starting pitcher more than a bullpen guy. Humber hasn't won a game in USCF in almost a year, and his ERA is around 6.00. Maybe they are thinking Quintana. Edited June 7, 2012 by Dick Allen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 7, 2012 -> 03:55 AM) I did read that bullpen rumor, but I think they need a starting pitcher more than a bullpen guy. Humber hasn't won a game in USCF in almost a year, and his ERA is around 6.00. You hear what Mr. Funny Guy Ryan Dempster said today about being traded to the Sox? When asked by Waddle and Silvy about being traded to a team 10 miles south, he said something along the lines of "I didn't know there was a team there" or "what team". Edited June 7, 2012 by fathom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffro2525 Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 If the Sox would have made Morrow work like this in the 7th or the 8th he wouldn't still be in the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 6, 2012 -> 09:56 PM) You hear what Mr. Funny Guy Ryan Dempster said today about being traded to the Sox? When asked by Waddle and Silvy about being traded to a team 10 miles south, he said "I didn't know there was a team there". He's 2-5 with a 5.03 ERA lifetime against the Sox. He hasn't fared too well against the AL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffro2525 Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 3rd shutout for Morrow already this season. 5th time the Sox have been shut out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 Morrow with complete game. Tank has cooled off he has the Juan Uribe syndrom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 Tip your cap, no one came close to squaring up that slider tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 6, 2012 -> 09:56 PM) You hear what Mr. Funny Guy Ryan Dempster said today about being traded to the Sox? When asked by Waddle and Silvy about being traded to a team 10 miles south, he said "I didn't know there was a team there". What a douchebag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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