flavum Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 I like Santiago as a trade chip. If we're talking long term as a starter, I'd rather hang on to Quintana to go along with Danks and Sale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 QUOTE (Jake @ Jun 7, 2012 -> 11:21 AM) Quintana should not be in the bullpen, that's a bulls*** thing to do to his development. I am all for demoting Stewart, Santiago and calling up Bruney and a post-prospect age SP from AAA (can't think of the whole rotation right now). I think both of those kids need to be starting pitchers, I'm willing to bet at least one of them contributes to our MLB roster one day if we let them be starters. What more development does he actually need? He's proven he can get MLB hitters out. All he really needs is a spot in the rotation. Until that happens why not let him stay in the pen where he can continue to work on getting MLB hitters out. Staying in the minors and perfecting getting minor league hitters out won't really do him much good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 QUOTE (ptatc @ Jun 7, 2012 -> 01:11 PM) What more development does he actually need? He's proven he can get MLB hitters out. All he really needs is a spot in the rotation. Until that happens why not let him stay in the pen where he can continue to work on getting MLB hitters out. Staying in the minors and perfecting getting minor league hitters out won't really do him much good. When you need a spot start or two out of him, he won't be able to go as deep because he has been working in the bullpen. Sending him to the minors keeps his arm stretched out. With the state of the rotation currently, you need a 6th start ready to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jun 7, 2012 -> 01:14 PM) When you need a spot start or two out of him, he won't be able to go as deep because he has been working in the bullpen. Sending him to the minors keeps his arm stretched out. With the state of the rotation currently, you need a 6th start ready to go. This is true to an extent. But that's not hurting his development. He'll learn more pitching against MLB hitters than MiLB hitters so his development will be enhanced if he stays up. If they use him as a long man out of the pen he'll still be ready for 4-5 innings when called upon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (ptatc @ Jun 7, 2012 -> 01:20 PM) This is true to an extent. But that's not hurting his development. He'll learn more pitching against MLB hitters than MiLB hitters so his development will be enhanced if he stays up. If they use him as a long man out of the pen he'll still be ready for 4-5 innings when called upon. You are definitely correct about his development. His pitching endurance and ability to go deep in a start is the one thing that would concern me. Edited June 7, 2012 by LittleHurt05 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jun 7, 2012 -> 02:24 PM) You are definitely correct about his development. His pitching endurance and ability to go deep in a start is the one thing that would concern me. Actually, his "development' could be helped by going down to the minors as well, if part of his "Development" process were to involve working on or adding offspeed pitches. That's unlikely to happen at the big league level because you don't want to throw one and have it go Bautistsa distances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunofgold Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 6 man rotation might work here. Then American idolize it and let us vote out which starter goes to pen to replace Stewie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 QUOTE (sunofgold @ Jun 7, 2012 -> 06:50 PM) 6 man rotation might work here. Then American idolize it and let us vote out which starter goes to pen to replace Stewie. What the hell does this mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunofgold Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jun 7, 2012 -> 07:38 PM) What the hell does this mean? Peavy hasn't pitched 200 innings in a long time, coming back from injury. Sale has never pitched 200 innings in ML, Danks coming bak from injury and has been ineffective, Going to a six man rotation protects your vulnerable pitchers and in this case gives you a chance to give Q some more starts. I wouldn't stay with a six rotation the rest of the season. it could also help you sort out your starters and then you can send one to the bullpen or Q back to minors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 QUOTE (sunofgold @ Jun 7, 2012 -> 09:27 PM) Peavy hasn't pitched 200 innings in a long time, coming back from injury. Sale has never pitched 200 innings in ML, Danks coming bak from injury and has been ineffective, Going to a six man rotation protects your vulnerable pitchers and in this case gives you a chance to give Q some more starts. I wouldn't stay with a six rotation the rest of the season. it could also help you sort out your starters and then you can send one to the bullpen or Q back to minors. Or they throw in the towel on Humber. But starting pitching's too valuable, and experienced SP moreso. Just can't imagine trying to compete for the division relying on the likes of Quintana, Axelrod and Castro for another 4 months. Isn't that the whole reason that Hudson was dealt for Jackson? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxmaniac! Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 Quintizzle has been more reliable than fricken floyd or humber. i wish floyd would have gotten his usual hot streak early so we could pawn his mental ass off for a 3rd baseman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 QUOTE (soxmaniac! @ Jun 7, 2012 -> 10:56 PM) Quintizzle has been more reliable than fricken floyd or humber. i wish floyd would have gotten his usual hot streak early so we could pawn his mental ass off for a 3rd baseman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 I guess it's a sign that the year has gone better than expected (so far) when the biggest debates are about the various ridiculous nicknames being bandied about... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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