caulfield12 Posted June 10, 2012 Share Posted June 10, 2012 QUOTE (flavum @ Jun 10, 2012 -> 11:20 PM) Holmberg is in High-A at age 20. The bottom line (if I can borrow a phrase from Frank Thomas) is that it was an awful trade given the situation the Sox were in at the time. Does that mean Holmberg and Hudson will haunt the Sox for the next decade? Maybe not. But for now, it doesn't look good. But if the Sox win the World Series this year, they can hit the reset button and not care about any move made from November 2005 to October 2012. It isn't awful if it taught KW not to mortgage the entire future for a single season, or NOT to give up on young pitching after just 3 starts. If he makes the same mistake and deals Mitchell this year for pitching, it will be disappointing. Still, with DeAza/Viciedo/Rios, we have the OF covered for the next 2 1/2 seasons. Holmberg's like the #8 prospect for the DBacks. Who's to say Quintana isn't just as good already, or Santiago? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaTank Posted June 10, 2012 Share Posted June 10, 2012 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 10, 2012 -> 10:34 AM) Holmberg's like the #8 prospect for the DBacks. Who's to say Quintana isn't just as good already, or Santiago? Once Holmberg makes AA he's potentially a jump away from being in the Majors. Holmberg's MiLB peripherals s*** on Quintana's or Santiago's. And Holmberg is only 20. It's safe to say he has a fairly high ceiling compared to those other two. The Huddy/Holmberg and Gio trades make me cringe every time I think about them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 So what kind of contract did Edwin get this season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Jun 12, 2012 -> 12:50 AM) So what kind of contract did Edwin get this season? $11 million, plus bonuses for All-Star, World Series, etc. In hindsight, you can argue we should have dumped Floyd's contract and kept Jackson, but way too late for that. Or not re-signed Danks, but oh well. Edited June 11, 2012 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 11, 2012 -> 12:04 PM) $11 million, plus bonuses for All-Star, World Series, etc. In hindsight, you can argue we should have dumped Floyd's contract and kept Jackson, but way too late for that. Or not re-signed Danks, but oh well. He might have been worth keeping at $8M tops. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowand's rowdies Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 Hudson is going to need tommy john, and was completely useless this year. this trade wasnt as bad as we thought... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 QUOTE (jenks45monster @ Jun 10, 2012 -> 04:40 PM) Once Holmberg makes AA he's potentially a jump away from being in the Majors. Holmberg's MiLB peripherals s*** on Quintana's or Santiago's. And Holmberg is only 20. It's safe to say he has a fairly high ceiling compared to those other two. The Huddy/Holmberg and Gio trades make me cringe every time I think about them. I'll make a judgement when he actually gets major league hitters out. I've been hearing about all the talent KW has traded away for years from commentators, and on this board. Gio is the exception. I don't like KW. I think he should be the ex-GM, but most of the minor league stuff he's traded away has been nothing. When he traded for Schoenweiss, he gave up 2 guys Peter Gammons couldn't stop talking about Tim Bittner and Scott Dunn. When MacDougal was acquired, again, Tyler Lumsden and Dan Cortes. Turn on Baseball Tonight,they were going to be stars. Brandon Allen I was told on this board was a future all star. They didn't tell me it was in a beer league. The odds are Holmberg will crash and burn. For his sake, I hope he's a star and makes a lot of money, odds are against it. For all of KW's faults, which I believe there are many, he's been one of the better GMs when it comes to trading minor leaguers. There have been a couple OK players, but the only one that really blew up in his face is Gio. If you find the thread of the Swisher trade, I think you'd find a lot of people who loved that trade and a lot of Gio detractors. Also that same explosion occured in Pat Gillick's face. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 QUOTE (jenks45monster @ Jun 10, 2012 -> 04:40 PM) Once Holmberg makes AA he's potentially a jump away from being in the Majors. Holmberg's MiLB peripherals s*** on Quintana's or Santiago's. And Holmberg is only 20. It's safe to say he has a fairly high ceiling compared to those other two. The Huddy/Holmberg and Gio trades make me cringe every time I think about them. He was promoted to AA a couple weeks ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 QUOTE (flavum @ Jun 27, 2012 -> 06:36 PM) He was promoted to AA a couple weeks ago. That post was made about two and a half weeks ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 QUOTE (rowand's rowdies @ Jun 27, 2012 -> 06:05 PM) Hudson is going to need tommy john, and was completely useless this year. this trade wasnt as bad as we thought... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 27, 2012 -> 06:37 PM) That post was made about two and a half weeks ago. Cool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 don't worry guys, we'll get our own dose of TJS with Sale at some point. don't get too excited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheChrisSamsa Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 While we're on the subject of hindsight.. Lucas Harrell just threw a CG shutout.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 QUOTE (ChrisLikesBaseball @ Jun 27, 2012 -> 09:04 PM) While we're on the subject of hindsight.. Lucas Harrell just threw a CG shutout.. Padres. That's like Zach Stewart throwing a 1-hitter against a September Twins team. Actually, Harrell has done pretty well for himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheChrisSamsa Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 QUOTE (flavum @ Jun 27, 2012 -> 09:08 PM) Padres. That's like Zach Stewart throwing a 1-hitter against a September Twins team. Actually, Harrell has done pretty well for himself. True on all accounts.. I just think its silly to bring up the same guys that used to be on the White Sox... Harrell's opponent tonight: Clayton Richard.. 7IP, 2 hits, 0 BB, 1 ER.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 QUOTE (ChrisLikesBaseball @ Jun 27, 2012 -> 09:04 PM) While we're on the subject of hindsight.. Lucas Harrell just threw a CG shutout.. He has been a 5th starter in the NL Central. In the AL he'd be looking at about a 5 to 5.50 era, and probably working as a long man out of the pen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 QUOTE (Reddy @ Jun 27, 2012 -> 06:46 PM) don't worry guys, we'll get our own dose of TJS with Sale at some point. don't get too excited. Very true. Chris has a good chance to be in the running for the Cy Young this season, and unfortunately that is going to make his injury that much worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 QUOTE (rowand's rowdies @ Jun 27, 2012 -> 06:05 PM) Hudson is going to need tommy john, and was completely useless this year. this trade wasnt as bad as we thought... That's why KW traded him... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jun 28, 2012 -> 08:30 AM) That's why KW traded him... Hudson turned into jackson who turned into stewart who turned into Youkilis, Sox won as of right now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottyDo Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Jun 28, 2012 -> 10:11 AM) Hudson turned into jackson who turned into stewart who turned into Youkilis, Sox won as of right now No no, Chris Young turned into Vazquez who turned into Lillibridge who turned into Youkilis. You forget yourself, sir! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanOfCorn Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Jun 28, 2012 -> 09:11 AM) Hudson turned into jackson who turned into stewart who turned into Youkilis, Sox won as of right now No no, Chris Young turned into Vazquez who turned into Lillibridge who turned into Youkilis. You forget yourself, sir! Sooo...we should be thanking the D-backs org. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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