forkit Posted August 15, 2003 Share Posted August 15, 2003 Well, for all the folks that have been b****ing and moaning about Joe, he hit just fine last night. In fact, he's been hitting better and better since the All-Star break, and of course, his defense continues to be strong. The big boys slept through last night's game. One run just don't cut it. Time for them to wake up and smell the finish line... One last thought...how can anyone complain about Crede's offense when the guy next to him, in all categories, is inferior. For some reason, Jose is held out as a holy relic by many fans, yet his defense is bad, his hitting is below average and the only two that think he is a good baserunner are in the Sox announcer's booth. I think the boys will wake up against the Rangers. I'd really like to see Frank at first tonight... Forkit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BridgeportHeather Posted August 15, 2003 Share Posted August 15, 2003 I don't think anyone has any capacity to b**** and moan about Joe Crede. He's playing in his first full major league season, and he's doing a respectable job out there. He's certainly no Robin Ventura; however, at least he's no Chris Snopek. I think that, with time, Crede will turn closer to becoming a Ventura. He may never reach that level, but I see him coming close... The guy's got gut and has the hunger to work his ass off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted August 15, 2003 Share Posted August 15, 2003 I don't think anyone has any capacity to b**** and moan about Joe Crede. He's playing in his first full major league season, and he's doing a respectable job out there. He's certainly no Robin Ventura; however, at least he's no Chris Snopek. I think that, with time, Crede will turn closer to becoming a Ventura. He may never reach that level, but I see him coming close... The guy's got gut and has the hunger to work his ass off. Robin Ventura's rookie year (1990) .249 48 R 17 2B 5 HR 54 RBI 55 BB 53 K Joe Crede this year to date..... .246 42 R 17 2B 12 HR 51 RBI 27 BB 60 K About the only numbers Robin was better in were BB and K's. Joe still has a month and a half to build on his numbers. Crede is also hitting .349 for the month of August so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 15, 2003 Share Posted August 15, 2003 And the thing that saids the most about Joe is that his defense has NEVER suffered, even when he was bottoming out at the plate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BridgeportHeather Posted August 15, 2003 Share Posted August 15, 2003 I don't think anyone has any capacity to b**** and moan about Joe Crede. He's playing in his first full major league season, and he's doing a respectable job out there. He's certainly no Robin Ventura; however, at least he's no Chris Snopek. I think that, with time, Crede will turn closer to becoming a Ventura. He may never reach that level, but I see him coming close... The guy's got gut and has the hunger to work his ass off. Robin Ventura's rookie year (1990) .249 48 R 17 2B 5 HR 54 RBI 55 BB 53 K Joe Crede this year to date..... .246 42 R 17 2B 12 HR 51 RBI 27 BB 60 K About the only numbers Robin was better in were BB and K's. Joe still has a month and a half to build on his numbers. Crede is also hitting .349 for the month of August so far. I'm not talking just rookie #'s, but career #'s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted August 15, 2003 Share Posted August 15, 2003 I don't think anyone has any capacity to b**** and moan about Joe Crede. He's playing in his first full major league season, and he's doing a respectable job out there. He's certainly no Robin Ventura; however, at least he's no Chris Snopek. I think that, with time, Crede will turn closer to becoming a Ventura. He may never reach that level, but I see him coming close... The guy's got gut and has the hunger to work his ass off. Robin Ventura's rookie year (1990) .249 48 R 17 2B 5 HR 54 RBI 55 BB 53 K Joe Crede this year to date..... .246 42 R 17 2B 12 HR 51 RBI 27 BB 60 K About the only numbers Robin was better in were BB and K's. Joe still has a month and a half to build on his numbers. Crede is also hitting .349 for the month of August so far. I'm not talking just rookie #'s, but career #'s. Then how do you know he is no Robin Ventura? He hasn't had a "career" yet? ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BridgeportHeather Posted August 15, 2003 Share Posted August 15, 2003 I don't think anyone has any capacity to b**** and moan about Joe Crede. He's playing in his first full major league season, and he's doing a respectable job out there. He's certainly no Robin Ventura; however, at least he's no Chris Snopek. I think that, with time, Crede will turn closer to becoming a Ventura. He may never reach that level, but I see him coming close... The guy's got gut and has the hunger to work his ass off. Robin Ventura's rookie year (1990) .249 48 R 17 2B 5 HR 54 RBI 55 BB 53 K Joe Crede this year to date..... .246 42 R 17 2B 12 HR 51 RBI 27 BB 60 K About the only numbers Robin was better in were BB and K's. Joe still has a month and a half to build on his numbers. Crede is also hitting .349 for the month of August so far. I'm not talking just rookie #'s, but career #'s. Then how do you know he is no Robin Ventura? He hasn't had a "career" yet? ;-) It's kinda hard to be Ventura! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted August 15, 2003 Share Posted August 15, 2003 I don't think anyone has any capacity to b**** and moan about Joe Crede. He's playing in his first full major league season, and he's doing a respectable job out there. He's certainly no Robin Ventura; however, at least he's no Chris Snopek. I think that, with time, Crede will turn closer to becoming a Ventura. He may never reach that level, but I see him coming close... The guy's got gut and has the hunger to work his ass off. Robin Ventura's rookie year (1990) .249 48 R 17 2B 5 HR 54 RBI 55 BB 53 K Joe Crede this year to date..... .246 42 R 17 2B 12 HR 51 RBI 27 BB 60 K About the only numbers Robin was better in were BB and K's. Joe still has a month and a half to build on his numbers. Crede is also hitting .349 for the month of August so far. I'm not talking just rookie #'s, but career #'s. Then how do you know he is no Robin Ventura? He hasn't had a "career" yet? ;-) It's kinda hard to be Ventura! Who knows, maybe Joe will be better... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Lopez Ghost (old) Posted August 15, 2003 Share Posted August 15, 2003 Crede is gonna be fine. Other Sox third basemen Crede is already better than: Greg Norton Chris Sabo Kenny Williams Eddie Williams Vance Law Luis Salazar Aurelio Rodriguez Jim Morrison Kevin Bell Rich McKinney Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rafacosta Posted August 15, 2003 Share Posted August 15, 2003 Well, for all the folks that have been b****ing and moaning about Joe, he hit just fine last night. In fact, he's been hitting better and better since the All-Star break, and of course, his defense continues to be strong. The big boys slept through last night's game. One run just don't cut it. Time for them to wake up and smell the finish line... One last thought...how can anyone complain about Crede's offense when the guy next to him, in all categories, is inferior. For some reason, Jose is held out as a holy relic by many fans, yet his defense is bad, his hitting is below average and the only two that think he is a good baserunner are in the Sox announcer's booth. I think the boys will wake up against the Rangers. I'd really like to see Frank at first tonight... Forkit! I agree with you. Especially about what you wrote about Jose. Look at his .avg! It is below .230!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesox247 Posted August 15, 2003 Share Posted August 15, 2003 I think the boys will wake up against the Rangers. I'd really like to see Frank at first tonight... What happened to Frank getting some time at first in the Angels series? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonkeyKongerko Posted August 15, 2003 Share Posted August 15, 2003 I think its time to get rid of Jose Valentin. You can have a guy like him on a great team but he really kills us sometimes with his streaky performance. He'll have 3 homeruns one night and 4 strikeouts the next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forkit Posted August 15, 2003 Author Share Posted August 15, 2003 I'd sure like to see Frank at first tonight...in fact, for the entire series. Let him get a white-hot bat back. That's what started the Sox surge to begin with... Forkit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted August 15, 2003 Share Posted August 15, 2003 I think its time to get rid of Jose Valentin. nice to read that in a post other than one of mine expect to be attacked, soon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forkit Posted August 15, 2003 Author Share Posted August 15, 2003 It's not the hot and cold hitting that bother me about Jose...It's just that so many fans over rate this guy as the heart and soul of the team. His fielding is bad. Period. I don't want to see those stats that apparently try to show his errors never cost us a game, because that's just baloney. His baserunning is like his hitting: Sometimes he steals second and people get all excited. And then he runs us out of a game tying rally...and that is just plain unexcusable. I know he tries hard. But he ain't cutting it for me. I'd like him to go back to thinking about the beginning of the year, when he was purposely trying not to try to make throws that were a stretch at best. And do the same with base running. Getting thrown out at third when this potentially explosive offense is rallying is inexcusable. You never know when the dynamite of this offense will catch fire, but if bad baserunning ends the inning, I guarantee you it won't be then... Jose, smarten up! Forkit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rafacosta Posted August 15, 2003 Share Posted August 15, 2003 nice to read that in a post other than one of mine expect to be attacked, soon I´m with you guys... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUKE_CLEVELAND Posted August 15, 2003 Share Posted August 15, 2003 I'd sure like to see Frank at first tonight...in fact, for the entire series. Let him get a white-hot bat back. That's what started the Sox surge to begin with... Forkit! HE IS TOTALLY BRUTAL AT 1ST. NO WAY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forkit Posted August 15, 2003 Author Share Posted August 15, 2003 Is he? I watched him play great this year at first base. He doesn't throw to second well...I'll give you that. But me thinks you are repeating something everyone says about Frank. And it ain't true. He's not a bad first baseman. And if that wakes his bat up, that's much more important than the difference between him and any other potential first baseman on this team. Get Frank hot...any way you can do it. Hell, if I could bribe the Texas pitchers to throw one at him in the first inning tonight, I'd personally send the check... [by the way, posting always in capital letters is considered rude, because it is likened to shouting across the table. Please learn to use small and capital letters] Forkit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted August 15, 2003 Share Posted August 15, 2003 He, just an FYI..... Alomar and Valentin are, quite possibly, the finest DP combo in White Sox history since Aparicio and Fox. Maybe Guillen and Cora was decent, but Alomar and Valentin have turned some killer DPs. No one comes close to Aparicio and Fox(I would have loved to have watch those two work their magic), but I'd have to say Alomar and Valentin are in second. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted August 15, 2003 Share Posted August 15, 2003 Is he? I watched him play great this year at first base. He doesn't throw to second well...I'll give you that. But me thinks you are repeating something everyone says about Frank. And it ain't true. He's not a bad first baseman. And if that wakes his bat up, that's much more important than the difference between him and any other potential first baseman on this team. Frank is the DH because he was brutal at 1B earlier in his career. He has about as much backbone as a jellyfish and is only the White Sox DH because he requested the role after he became sick and tired of reading all of the negative stories from the local and national sports media about how bad he really was at 1B. Time for Sox fans to accept Frank Thomas at DH. Anyone who thinks putting Thomas at 1B for a whole season will have Thomas' average raised .040-.050 points is out of their skull. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forkit Posted August 15, 2003 Author Share Posted August 15, 2003 Well, no...I meant put him at first for some games again to get him back in the groove, as I said in the post, just as it worked in June. I didn't say he should play first 162 games. But some regular time there would keep him into more of a groove I think. And if nothing else, when he gets in a hitting slump, throw his butt on first for a few so he can keep his head on the game instead of on his slump... That's all I suggested. Time for a reader here to read what others sayand take it at face value. Forkit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clujer420 Posted August 15, 2003 Share Posted August 15, 2003 I'd sure like to see Frank at first tonight...in fact, for the entire series. Let him get a white-hot bat back. That's what started the Sox surge to begin with... Forkit! HE IS TOTALLY BRUTAL AT 1ST. NO WAY Ya were gone when Frank played 1st a lot back in June. He did just fine over there, and he hit around .400 at the same time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capn12 Posted August 15, 2003 Share Posted August 15, 2003 Frank at 1st isn't gonna hurt this team in defense...it can only help him on offense...I have no problems with it...now, if we could only get JM to realize that AaRow is the best CFer we have, put Everett at DH...let PK have a day or 2 off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted August 15, 2003 Share Posted August 15, 2003 Time for a reader here to read what others sayand take it at face value. I did. Thomas has been a .250-.270 hitter ever since '99 with the exception of 2000..... and that may be generous. Is that because he has been DH'ing the majority of the time? Doubt it. So he got hot during '03's interleague. Is that because he was playing 1B during that stretch? Doubt it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxplosion Posted August 15, 2003 Share Posted August 15, 2003 I still dont really like him, but Joe Credes not doing bad. His average is up to .246 and hes on pace for 16 homeruns and 68 RBIs, which, for a rookie with great D, aint bad... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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