Something has to be done to improve the rotation

[sunofgold]

If you count Q as part of the rotation, then half of the rotation has been pretty great and the second half has been pretty lousy.

 

I believe that you have to keep Q in the rotation. Danks will get more chances since he is coming back from rehab. That leaves Floyd and Humber. Both are pitching bad right now. I say move Humber into the long relief position since Floyd has more of a favorable history than Humber.

 

Then you can do whatever you want with Stewart. it is crazy that you have to move the guy who threw the perfect game to the pen. But that is baseball. I hope our starters throw CG shutouts but enough of these no-hitters/perfect games. Pitchers tend to suck awhile after throwing them.

[justBLAZE]

If you count Q as part of the rotation, then half of the rotation has been pretty great and the second half has been pretty lousy.

 

I believe that you have to keep Q in the rotation. Danks will get more chances since he is coming back from rehab. That leaves Floyd and Humber. Both are pitching bad right now. I say move Humber into the long relief position since Floyd has more of a favorable history than Humber.

 

Then you can do whatever you want with Stewart. it is crazy that you have to move the guy who threw the perfect game to the pen. But that is baseball. I hope our starters throw CG shutouts but enough of these no-hitters/perfect games. Pitchers tend to suck awhile after throwing them.

 

You answered your own question.

 

Danks comes back, Q takes place of Humber, who is moved to the pen and you hope Floyd will turn it around, be a serviceable 5th starter.

 

FWIW, not sure if this was posted yet, but it looks like Morel is not coming back any time soon, gonna see two specialist as his back got worse in Charlotte and surgery might be in order.

[southsider2k5]

The guy who was supposed to be our #1 starter this season is on the DL. Ventura won't commit to Humber past his next start. I'm not ready to start the freaking out quite yet.

[sunofgold]

You answered your own question.

 

Danks comes back, Q takes place of Humber, who is moved to the pen and you hope Floyd will turn it around, be a serviceable 5th starter.

 

FWIW, not sure if this was posted yet, but it looks like Morel is not coming back any time soon, gonna see two specialist as his back got worse in Charlotte and surgery might be in order.

Yeah but will management make that change. i would like them to do that right when Danks comes back.

[maggsmaggs]

It's easy. Stewart goes to AAA. And Humber becomes the long man. We ride Quintana as a starter until it looks like he can't perform up to Major League-caliber. Then, re-explore our options after that. Sale-Peavy-Danks-Floyd-Quintana when Danks comes back.

[justBLAZE]

Yeah but will management make that change. i would like them to do that right when Danks comes back.

 

From what ss2k5 said and from what I've read on twitter, Ventura said something during post game press conf. that Humber status past his next start is up in the air. They will do whatever they can to field the best team perfect game or not.

[flavum]

Humber hasn't won a game at the Cell in a year. He's got to go.

 

Sale, Peavy, Danks, Floyd, and Quintana seems pretty solid if Floyd gets it going. I think he'll run off a few good ones before the break.

 

One thing is for sure...if Quintana pitches well Tuesday (and his next start if Danks stays on the DL), then he has to remain in the rotation. Even the ultra-loyal White Sox aren't stupid enough to demote Quintana if he keeps putting up quality starts.

[caulfield12]

Humber hasn't won a game at the Cell in a year. He's got to go.

 

Sale, Peavy, Danks, Floyd, and Quintana seems pretty solid if Floyd gets it going. I think he'll run off a few good ones before the break.

 

One thing is for sure...if Quintana pitches well Tuesday (and his next start if Danks stays on the DL), then he has to remain in the rotation. Even the ultra-loyal White Sox aren't stupid enough to demote Quintana if he keeps putting up quality starts.

 

 

Quintana will get at least two more starts, this series and against the Dodgers this Sunday.

 

 

[sunofgold]

Quintana will get at least two more starts, this series and against the Dodgers this Sunday.

I thought that I read that Danks will be with team in LA. Thus something has to happen in that series.Quin could possibly be sent down.

[BigSqwert]

I thought that I read that Danks will be with team in LA. Thus something has to happen in that series.Quin could possibly be sent down.

Doubt that R would do that to Q. You'd think Z would be in the mix. And don't get me started on O.

[knightni]

Doubt that R would do that to Q. You'd think Z would be in the mix. And don't get me started on O.

#1 in Da Hood, G.

 

 

[greg775]

Humber is turning into Zach Stewart.

How the hell did this guy pitch a perfect game??

[caulfield12]

Humber is turning into Zach Stewart.

How the hell did this guy pitch a perfect game??

 

 

He had his best stuff and it was the Mariners, who really didn't have many threats in the line-up at that time.

 

Now they have Ichiro, Ackley, Seager, Smoak and Montero that can all reach out and bite you.

[ChiliIrishHammock24]

I'm so done with Zach Stewart. But I think Quintana has earned the spot over Humber in the rotation, so push Humber to long relief.

[2nd_city_saint787]

I'm so done with Zach Stewart. But I think Quintana has earned the spot over Humber in the rotation, so push Humber to long relief.

 

 

Move a s***ty pitcher into long relief??? thats crazy talk, long relievers are supposed to be good pitchers.

[justBLAZE]

Move a s***ty pitcher into long relief??? thats crazy talk, long relievers are supposed to be good pitchers.

 

long relief pitchers are also known as mop up guys, for a reason

[greg775]

He had his best stuff and it was the Mariners, who really didn't have many threats in the line-up at that time.

 

Now they have Ichiro, Ackley, Seager, Smoak and Montero that can all reach out and bite you.

 

Yeah, but Humber doesn't even look like a major leaguer anymore.

[2nd_city_saint787]

He also was an All star last year so he obviously has it in him...somewhere

[ChiliIrishHammock24]

Move a s***ty pitcher into long relief??? thats crazy talk, long relievers are supposed to be good pitchers.

 

Sarcasm, I hope.

[caulfield12]

http://www.kansascity.com/2012/06/09/36501...of-bullpen.html

 

 

This is a long, but very well thought out article on the Royals and how they're exploiting (potentially) another "Moneyball market inefficiency" to survive in this season.

 

Maybe KW, if the price for starting pitcher, anywhere from Greinke to Volquez, becomes prohibitively expensive...will start thinking about a way to structure the middle innings in those games started by Humber and Floyd so as not to let the game completely get away.

 

Not going back to the Little League idea of 7 starters throwing an inning or so each, but we're going to have to get creative. After all, this is the area in our organization with the greatest amount of depth.

 

For example, trying Santiago as a starter...or Axelrod, or even Stewart, they have to do something to shake up their rotation. Bruney or Doyle could spot start, at this point, you have to be open to any possibility.

 

We can survive, but we need to have 3 quality starters, not just 2. Hopefully Danks can return to form after his two starts for Charlotte. Everyone will be watching his Tuesday outing for the Knights.

Edited June 11, 2012 by caulfield12

[2nd_city_saint787]

Sarcasm, I hope.

 

If you've followed my thoughts on Zach Stewart as long reliever you will know this is indeed sarcasm.

 

If everyones so fed up with having Zach Stewart as the long man then why replace him with a perhaps equally as bad Humber?

 

I will agree though that in the situation the Sox are in it does make sense to put Q in the rotation and have Humber replace Zach. Zachs still fairly young and could benefit from getting more time in the minors.

 

I just fear (well not really) I'll be hearing the same kind of things about Humber that I have about Zach when he comes in in a a blowout and gives up a run or 2 "Phils 100% garbage DFA him NOW"....

 

 

 

[caulfield12]

If you've followed my thoughts on Zach Stewart as long reliever you will know this is indeed sarcasm.

 

If everyones so fed up with having Zach Stewart as the long man then why replace him with a perhaps equally as bad Humber?

 

I will agree though that in the situation the Sox are in it does make sense to put Q in the rotation and have Humber replace Zach. Zachs still fairly young and could benefit from getting more time in the minors.

 

I just fear (well not really) I'll be hearing the same kind of things about Humber that I have about Zach when he comes in in a a blowout and gives up a run or 2 "Phils 100% garbage DFA him NOW"....

 

 

The difference is that:

 

1) Humber does a big strikeout pitch in his curve

2) first half 2011, ASG, history of a pretty extended run of success, etc.

3) perfect game

4) pedigree as a starter, Top 5 pick in the draft

5) his ERA as a starter against all teams not named the Twins last year was much better than 7.88, his ERA this year despite how bad he's been is nowhere close to that

 

 

[ChiliIrishHammock24]

If you've followed my thoughts on Zach Stewart as long reliever you will know this is indeed sarcasm.

 

If everyones so fed up with having Zach Stewart as the long man then why replace him with a perhaps equally as bad Humber?

 

I will agree though that in the situation the Sox are in it does make sense to put Q in the rotation and have Humber replace Zach. Zachs still fairly young and could benefit from getting more time in the minors.

 

I just fear (well not really) I'll be hearing the same kind of things about Humber that I have about Zach when he comes in in a a blowout and gives up a run or 2 "Phils 100% garbage DFA him NOW"....

 

Humber is perhaps equally as bad as Zach Stewart?

 

Oooohhh, come on now.

[2nd_city_saint787]

The difference is that:

 

1) Humber does a big strikeout pitch in his curve

2) first half 2011, ASG, history of a pretty extended run of success, etc.

3) perfect game

4) pedigree as a starter, Top 5 pick in the draft

5) his ERA as a starter against all teams not named the Twins last year was much better than 7.88, his ERA this year despite how bad he's been is nowhere close to that

 

 

 

Humber is perhaps equally as bad as Zach Stewart?

 

Oooohhh, come on now.

 

First and foremost as my last post said I am for Humber in the pen over Stewart.

 

But for the sake of argument...

 

Take out the perfect game this year and Phils ERA/Whip are at 6.75/1.69

 

Take out Zachs game vs the Cubs and his ERA/Whip are 3.58/1.47

 

So if neither of those games happen from looking at the numbers yes Zach has been better.

 

 

[caulfield12]

First and foremost as my last post said I am for Humber in the pen over Stewart.

 

But for the sake of argument...

 

Take out the perfect game this year and Phils ERA/Whip are at 6.75/1.69

 

Take out Zachs game vs the Cubs and his ERA/Whip are 3.58/1.47

 

So if neither of those games happen from looking at the numbers yes Zach has been better.

 

 

Except by that line of thinking, DJ Carasco should have been named a starting pitcher, or Tony Pena.

 

There's a big difference pitching in blowouts when the other team is often looking to catch a flight out of town or make their dinner plans, compared to the pressure of starting a game against a good major league team.

 

There's really no comparison.

 

It would be like saying you could take Wil Ohman and he would be a better starter than Humber because his ERA is lower, too.

 

It's much more instructive to look at Stewart's body of a work as a starter last year in the majors or as a starter even in spring training, as opposed to extrapolating any type of positivity out of him being a member of the starting rotation anywhere but Charlotte or Birmingham right now.

Edited June 11, 2012 by caulfield12