iamshack Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 12, 2012 -> 09:30 PM) When he was hot, he started driving fastballs to right for singles as well as getting a number of groundball singles, and was keeping the pitchers honest. He also was laying off the high fastballs, and his K rate went way down compared to the first 4-5 weeks. Then he was picking his pitches to drive when ahead in counts, mostly sliders and change-ups. Now he has to make another adjustment. But he clearly had a different approach when he was going well there...it was obvious, look at his hit charts. He was spraying hits in 2010 too. He can't hit a good fastball. This poses a minor problem. I'm not saying he won't be a good hitter, I just don't know that he'll come anywhere close to meeting the expectations of you folks. Edited June 13, 2012 by iamshack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 What's his high in RBI's with the Sox? 65 or so? 70? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jun 12, 2012 -> 09:27 PM) I don't know what to say, but this is idiotic. I'd understand if he's been s***ty his entire professional career (which is under one year and this is his 1st year of being an everyday player) but this is a guy thats done pretty damn well. Minor League service counts as pro ball. I don't think he'll be an elite offensive force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jun 12, 2012 -> 09:33 PM) Minor League service counts as pro ball. I don't think he'll be an elite offensive force. Aw hell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 12, 2012 -> 09:33 PM) What's his high in RBI's with the Sox? 65 or so? 70? 64 with CWS. 77 with SFG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jun 12, 2012 -> 09:33 PM) Minor League service counts as pro ball. I don't think he'll be an elite offensive force. He will be for weeks at a time I think...just not consistently enough to be an elite player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 13, 2012 -> 10:32 AM) He was spraying hits in 2010 too. He can't hit a good fastball. This poses a minor problem. I'm not saying he won't be a good hitter, I just don't know that he'll come anywhere close to meeting the expectations of you folks. He has the bat speed, more than even Frank Thomas, it's just pitch selection. He's more comfortable with sliders and offspeed pitches right now. For Big Hurt's entire career, he had a slider speed bat, but it never stopped him from becoming a first ballot Hall of Famer because of his great patience and plate discipline. Obviously, that's Dayan's weakest point, but, once again....he's a 23 year old still learning and adjusting. He has a full four years to go before he would even be considered to be in his prime. Edited June 13, 2012 by caulfield12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 Good thing Danks is in LF now. I'm so scared of Dunn out in LF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 QUOTE (Baron @ Jun 12, 2012 -> 09:34 PM) Aw hell That's clearly what Marty meant when he referred to "his entire professional career." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunofgold Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Jun 12, 2012 -> 09:34 PM) 64 with CWS. 77 with SFG. Look at A-team Adam Aj Alejandro Alexei Alex Addison Edited June 13, 2012 by sunofgold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 12, 2012 -> 07:32 PM) He was spraying hits in 2010 too. He can't hit a good fastball. This poses a minor problem. I'm not saying he won't be a good hitter, I just don't know that he'll come anywhere close to meeting the expectations of you folks. I think he has the rare ability to be a .300, 30 & 100 RBI guy. The average may be higher then some think but with that bat speed and his ability to hit (and with power to all fields) makes me think he can sustain the average. I think his downside is a .270 & 25-30 HR guy. Those are what I consider to be pretty lofty, yet relatively realistic expectations (although I might be crazy). I'm not saying he's going to be a .330, 45, 120 guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 12, 2012 -> 09:35 PM) He has the bat speed, more than even Frank Thomas, it's just pitch selection. He's more comfortable with sliders and offspeed pitches right now. For Big Hurt's entire career, he had a slider speed bat, but it never stopped him from becoming a first ballot Hall of Famer because of his great patience and plate discipline. Obviously, that's Dayan's weakest point, but, once again....he's a 23 year old still learning and adjusting. He has a full four years to go before he would even be considered to be in his prime. Hes 23, not 15. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 12, 2012 -> 09:36 PM) That's clearly what Marty meant when he referred to "his entire professional career." I think its silly he is throwing that into the equation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jun 12, 2012 -> 07:33 PM) Minor League service counts as pro ball. I don't think he'll be an elite offensive force. Now I'm even more fooled, cause all he's done is got better every year (and last year he crushed the ball with the exception of the games where he was fighting his wrist injury). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 12, 2012 -> 09:35 PM) He has the bat speed, more than even Frank Thomas, it's just pitch selection. He's more comfortable with sliders and offspeed pitches right now. For Big Hurt's entire career, he had a slider speed bat, but it never stopped him from becoming a first ballot Hall of Famer because of his great patience and plate discipline. Obviously, that's Dayan's weakest point, but, once again....he's a 23 year old still learning and adjusting. He has a full four years to go before he would even be considered to be in his prime. How long has he had this "bat speed" and how long before it typically slows down? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jun 12, 2012 -> 09:37 PM) How long has he had this "bat speed" and how long before it typically slows down? Vlad Guerrero sez sup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 Cubs hitters are getting schooled by Phil Coke. SMH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jun 12, 2012 -> 09:36 PM) I think he has the rare ability to be a .300, 30 & 100 RBI guy. The average may be higher then some think but with that bat speed and his ability to hit (and with power to all fields) makes me think he can sustain the average. I think his downside is a .270 & 25-30 HR guy. Those are what I consider to be pretty lofty, yet relatively realistic expectations (although I might be crazy). I'm not saying he's going to be a .330, 45, 120 guy. I'm thinking more along the downside of what you said...and don't get me wrong...that would be fine....but I wouldn't lose sleep over trading that away if we got back a great piece we could extend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wedge Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jun 12, 2012 -> 08:36 PM) I think he has the rare ability to be a .300, 30 & 100 RBI guy. Every year or just one year? I think he can put together a season, maybe two like that but I don't think he'll consistently put up those types of seasons without a lot more plate discipline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 QUOTE (sunofgold @ Jun 12, 2012 -> 09:36 PM) Look at A-team Adam Aj Alejandro Alexei Alex Addison I pity the fool who gives awful nicknames. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 QUOTE (chw42 @ Jun 12, 2012 -> 09:38 PM) Cubs hitters are getting schooled by Phil Coke. SMH. Firing their hitting coach has worked wonders so far Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 13, 2012 -> 10:35 AM) He will be for weeks at a time I think...just not consistently enough to be an elite player. And there's only 10-15 elite players in the game. I'm not going to put him in the Hall of Fame or anything, but he's going to be a very solid contributor who makes 2-3 All-Star games for the White Sox before all is said and done. Nobody acquiring him would give up "elite" prospects anyways, because he's a defensively-limited left fielder. He does have a good arm for the position, but that's more important in RF. Still, when you look at our roster in 2015 and beyond, we have zero power there except for Viciedo, Barnum, Hawkins, Trayce Thompson, etc. He's still worth a lot more to the White Sox going forward than to another franchise. It would take a huge haul for KW to part with him at this point, after all the development investment has started to pay off on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 QUOTE (Wedge @ Jun 12, 2012 -> 07:39 PM) Every year or just one year? I think he can put together a season, maybe two like that but I don't think he'll consistently put up those types of seasons without a lot more plate discipline. I think he has a shot of being that type of player (meaning on a yearly basis). And I don't think I've said that about any other Sox prospect since Carlos Lee (& Maggs). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jun 12, 2012 -> 09:41 PM) I think he has a shot of being that type of player (meaning on a yearly basis). And I don't think I've said that about any other Sox prospect since Carlos Lee (& Maggs). I don't even know where to put a ceiling on him. If he decided to be a power hitter, he probably has 50 home run power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 12, 2012 -> 09:40 PM) And there's only 10-15 elite players in the game. I'm not going to put him in the Hall of Fame or anything, but he's going to be a very solid contributor who makes 2-3 All-Star games for the White Sox before all is said and done. Nobody acquiring him would give up "elite" prospects anyways, because he's a defensively-limited left fielder. He does have a good arm for the position, but that's more important in RF. Still, when you look at our roster in 2015 and beyond, we have zero power there except for Viciedo, Barnum, Hawkins, Trayce Thompson, etc. He's still worth a lot more to the White Sox going forward than to another franchise. It would take a huge haul for KW to part with him at this point, after all the development investment has started to pay off on him. Ok, I shouldn't have said elite. I guess I mean more like all-star. Now this nonsense about him not having trade value is pure horses***. He can't be amazingly talented and yet have marginal trade value, given his paycheck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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