chw42 Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 QUOTE (Tex @ Jun 14, 2012 -> 08:50 PM) I'm not too certain about that. He is about the lowest rated manager by most posters here, yet the Marlins and their fans were practically dancing in the streets to get him. They valued him much higher than Sox fans. So it seems like we underrated him compared to Marlin ownership and fans. At least when he was announced as their manager. In reality they probably overrated him and we underrated him. Time will tell who was closer to reality. The Marlins don't have fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 QUOTE (soxmaniac! @ Jun 15, 2012 -> 12:31 AM) If i had a gun with 2 bullets in a room with hitler, osama, and ozzie, i would shoot ozzie twice. Hope you are joking, really do. Ozzie Guillen is a chicago hero whether you believe it or not. He'll FOREVER be remembered as the one manager to bring our great city A CHAMPIONSHIP in baseball!!! I didn't think your joke was funny, either. Hitler and Osama are scum to me. Ozzie should not be scum to anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 QUOTE (Tex @ Jun 14, 2012 -> 08:50 PM) I'm not too certain about that. He is about the lowest rated manager by most posters here, yet the Marlins and their fans were practically dancing in the streets to get him. They valued him much higher than Sox fans. So it seems like we underrated him compared to Marlin ownership and fans. At least when he was announced as their manager. In reality they probably overrated him and we underrated him. Time will tell who was closer to reality. They didn't hire him for his managerial skills. They hired him for publicity to help fill seats in their new stadium because Florida has the worst fanbase in pro sports. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jun 15, 2012 -> 12:38 PM) They didn't hire him for his managerial skills. They hired him for publicity to help fill seats in their new stadium because Florida has the worst fanbase in pro sports. He was probably overrated in the sense that he was a protege of the former manager who won the World Series in 2003, Jack McKeon. Perhaps there was also the attendant idea that his style of play was more suitable for the NL. Most importantly, big name, the ability to appeal to Hispanic fans in South Florida...but last time I checked, their numbers were ONLY about an average of 27,000 per game. So in their first year, the bloom has already worn off because of hte fact that they've been a disappointment for most of the first two months, except for the one run similar to the one the White Sox had that put them at 8 games over before falling back to .500 again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jun 15, 2012 -> 04:38 AM) They didn't hire him for his managerial skills. They hired him for publicity to help fill seats in their new stadium because Florida has the worst fanbase in pro sports. Name one manager who could have orchestrated the type of run we had in the 2005 postseason? Those who fail to credit Ozzie for having the right clubhouse attitude as we mauled everybody are ingrates IMO. The use of his starting pitching and refusal to over-manage, every move of his worked. He was important to our '05 run and yet many people seem to actually hate him. THIS AMAZES ME. Truly insane IMO. So it ended poorly. It's not like he was the only reason for our demise. Dunn, Rios, KW's idiotic moves like Manny and some ridiculous trades ... need I go on?? Edited June 15, 2012 by greg775 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 15, 2012 -> 01:28 AM) Name one manager who could have orchestrated the type of run we had in the 2005 postseason? Those who fail to credit Ozzie for having the right clubhouse attitude as we mauled everybody are ingrates IMO. The use of his starting pitching and refusal to over-manage, every move of his worked. He was important to our '05 run and yet many people seem to actually hate him. THIS AMAZES ME. Truly insane IMO. So it ended poorly. It's not like he was the only reason for our demise. Dunn, Rios, KW's idiotic moves like Manny and some ridiculous trades ... need I go on?? Really Ozzie is the only manager that would have won a world series with that team? I'd say over half the current managers in MLB today could of managed that team to the WS, the only magic move Ozzie did was putting El Duque in against Red Sox with bases loaded but that had lots of luck involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 15, 2012 Author Share Posted June 15, 2012 QUOTE (Tex @ Jun 14, 2012 -> 08:50 PM) I'm not too certain about that. He is about the lowest rated manager by most posters here, yet the Marlins and their fans were practically dancing in the streets to get him. They valued him much higher than Sox fans. So it seems like we underrated him compared to Marlin ownership and fans. At least when he was announced as their manager. In reality they probably overrated him and we underrated him. Time will tell who was closer to reality. Except for the fact these same poll results happened when he was in Chicago as well. Remember the manager you'd least want to play for poll? Ozzie was at the top of that one too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 15, 2012 Author Share Posted June 15, 2012 QUOTE (GoodAsGould @ Jun 15, 2012 -> 02:44 AM) Really Ozzie is the only manager that would have won a world series with that team? I'd say over half the current managers in MLB today could of managed that team to the WS, the only magic move Ozzie did was putting El Duque in against Red Sox with bases loaded but that had lots of luck involved. And more likely that was Don Cooper versus Ozzie Guillen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 15, 2012 -> 07:46 AM) And more likely that was Don Cooper versus Ozzie Guillen. Honestly i dont care who made the decision. El Duque worked the magic, not Ozzie or Coop. It was a extremely tough situation, the Sox had a sick bullpen and the guy that came out got the job done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 15, 2012 -> 01:28 AM) Name one manager who could have orchestrated the type of run we had in the 2005 postseason? Those who fail to credit Ozzie for having the right clubhouse attitude as we mauled everybody are ingrates IMO. The use of his starting pitching and refusal to over-manage, every move of his worked. He was important to our '05 run and yet many people seem to actually hate him. THIS AMAZES ME. Truly insane IMO. So it ended poorly. It's not like he was the only reason for our demise. Dunn, Rios, KW's idiotic moves like Manny and some ridiculous trades ... need I go on?? 2005 has nothing to do with my post at all. The Marlins hired Ozzie strictly to appeal to their largely Hispanic fan base, in a state with an awful history of pro sports attendance. It was not a baseball decision, it was a money decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 Ozzie won this prestigious recognition last year, too! But it really is only because of the timing this time around!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 15, 2012 -> 01:28 AM) Name one manager who could have orchestrated the type of run we had in the 2005 postseason? Those who fail to credit Ozzie for having the right clubhouse attitude as we mauled everybody are ingrates IMO. The use of his starting pitching and refusal to over-manage, every move of his worked. He was important to our '05 run and yet many people seem to actually hate him. THIS AMAZES ME. Truly insane IMO. So it ended poorly. It's not like he was the only reason for our demise. Dunn, Rios, KW's idiotic moves like Manny and some ridiculous trades ... need I go on?? George Bush Approval Ratings George W. Bush's High Point: 90%, 2001 George W. Bush's Low Point: 25%, 2008 THINGS CHANGE IN A SPAN OF SEVEN YEARS GREG. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jun 15, 2012 -> 11:37 AM) George Bush Approval Ratings George W. Bush's High Point: 90%, 2001 George W. Bush's Low Point: 25%, 2008 THINGS CHANGE IN A SPAN OF SEVEN YEARS GREG. Meanwhile, Quinarvy's approval rating remains high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Jun 15, 2012 -> 11:51 AM) Meanwhile, Quinarvy's approval rating remains high. New polls suggest he's also sexy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Jun 15, 2012 -> 11:51 AM) Meanwhile, Quinarvy's approval rating remains high. QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jun 15, 2012 -> 12:07 PM) New polls suggest he's also sexy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 15, 2012 Author Share Posted June 15, 2012 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jun 15, 2012 -> 12:07 PM) New polls suggest he's also sexy. And his own internal pole suggests he knows it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jun 15, 2012 -> 01:07 PM) New polls suggest he's also sexy. But is he ferociously cute? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jun 15, 2012 -> 11:37 AM) George Bush Approval Ratings George W. Bush's High Point: 90%, 2001 George W. Bush's Low Point: 25%, 2008 THINGS CHANGE IN A SPAN OF SEVEN YEARS GREG. But George Bush never won the World Series in Chicago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jun 15, 2012 -> 12:37 PM) George Bush Approval Ratings George W. Bush's High Point: 90%, 2001 George W. Bush's Low Point: 25%, 2008 THINGS CHANGE IN A SPAN OF SEVEN YEARS GREG. I'd like to note for the record that I had nothing to do with this post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jun 15, 2012 -> 12:30 PM) But George Bush never won the World Series in Chicago. Sig'd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthSidePride05 Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 This also explains the low attendance at US Cellular. For the average baseball fan, it takes a couple years to get with the program. They still think AJ deserves the hate, and they still think the Sox suck. I was actually at a party last night, and a group of people started talking about the Chicago baseball teams and how bad they are. Not one person knew the Sox were in first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 QUOTE (SouthSidePride05 @ Jun 15, 2012 -> 01:20 PM) This also explains the low attendance at US Cellular. For the average baseball fan, it takes a couple years to get with the program. They still think AJ deserves the hate, and they still think the Sox suck. I was actually at a party last night, and a group of people started talking about the Chicago baseball teams and how bad they are. Not one person knew the Sox were in first place. did you go to a party in Lawrence, Kansas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jun 15, 2012 -> 12:30 PM) But George Bush never won the World Series in Chicago. But he could make people smile by going to local restaurants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 QUOTE (SouthSidePride05 @ Jun 16, 2012 -> 02:20 AM) This also explains the low attendance at US Cellular. For the average baseball fan, it takes a couple years to get with the program. They still think AJ deserves the hate, and they still think the Sox suck. I was actually at a party last night, and a group of people started talking about the Chicago baseball teams and how bad they are. Not one person knew the Sox were in first place. Yep, they're still stuck in the Dunn/Peavy/Rios/Beckham suck and must be booed "loop" and already tuned out in early 2011 after our 4-18 stretch pretty much knocked us out of contention right away in April/May. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (SouthSidePride05 @ Jun 15, 2012 -> 06:20 PM) This also explains the low attendance at US Cellular. For the average baseball fan, it takes a couple years to get with the program. They still think AJ deserves the hate, and they still think the Sox suck. I was actually at a party last night, and a group of people started talking about the Chicago baseball teams and how bad they are. Not one person knew the Sox were in first place. Another reason Ozzie's mouth wasn't bad to the average fan. He kept the Sox in the news, kept people buzzing about Ozzie. Sox are irrelevant again w/out Ozzie for now. We may all be diehards on here, and follow the Sox no matter what, but Ozzie was good keeping the Sox in the news for the average fan. He was free publicity for the White Sox/ticket sales. If you think his brashness affected the players negatively, I think you should reconsider your position. Who gives a f*** about his kids? These are grown men playing baseball. Ozzie was a GREAT sideshow as well as a WS winning manager. Edited June 15, 2012 by greg775 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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