greg775 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 QUOTE (tonyho7476 @ Jun 19, 2012 -> 02:09 PM) I really enjoyed paying $54 a ticket, to sit in the upper deck, and watch Stewart throw 4 homeruns. I hope you are gone soon. Horrible time yesterday at the Cell. I was saying that it was a slap in the face of all ticket holders to basically concede that game before it started. Pitch anybody but Zach Stewart. How can they not just release the guy? Cooper cannot fix everybody. Enough of Stewart already! And Humber despite the perfect game is on the same path. I feel your pain watching that crap for 54 bucks a ticket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 19, 2012 -> 01:43 PM) I was saying that it was a slap in the face of all ticket holders to basically concede that game before it started. Pitch anybody but Zach Stewart. How can they not just release the guy? Cooper cannot fix everybody. Enough of Stewart already! And Humber despite the perfect game is on the same path. I feel your pain watching that crap for 54 bucks a ticket. Because releasing young pitchers who throw > 90 mph, have options left, and effectively skipped AAA on the way up is criminally insane? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 19, 2012 -> 12:50 PM) Because releasing young pitchers who throw > 90 mph, have options left, and effectively skipped AAA on the way up is criminally insane? would you stop it already. its not nearly as insane as your defense of him. He sucks. who cares if he has options, skipped triple A, whatever. His stuff is meat. criminally insane my ass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 Don Cooper= The new Greg Walker. Maybe it's time for him to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wedge Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jun 19, 2012 -> 12:52 PM) would you stop it already. its not nearly as insane as your defense of him. He sucks. who cares if he has options, skipped triple A, whatever. His stuff is meat. criminally insane my ass Let's just execute him then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 While we're at it, shouldn't Stewart have an MRI or possibly TJ surgery? There's no way he's going to be effective at 88-91 MPH. There has to be SOME reason he's gone from a top prospect (remember, he started more as relief prospect and then converted) who threw 93-96 MPH to what we're seeing out of him NOW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy the Clown Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 Cooper doesn't believe in velocity, remember? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 QUOTE (Wedge @ Jun 19, 2012 -> 12:55 PM) Let's just execute him then. now that would be institutionally insane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 19, 2012 -> 12:18 PM) The Jays obviously thought enough of him to give him a handful of starts last season when they were still in the division race. That said, he's mysteriously lost 3-4 MPH on his fastball. And Molina's lost the ability to strike out opposing hitters or record a sub 4.5 ERA in a pitcher's haven. Go away, Marco Paddy! What does Paddy have to do with Stewart? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 QUOTE (Andy the Clown @ Jun 19, 2012 -> 01:16 PM) Cooper doesn't believe in velocity, remember? This. The sox are a movement over speed team. Most pitchers lose velocity with the Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 I still believe an >90 mph sinker is a big enough weapon that you start him in AAA. What's asinine to me is that the Jays thought he'd ever be a reliever. You don't cultivate a sinking fastball in the bullpen. He has a decent change and curve, but his command of those pitches is inconsistent. His command overall yesterday became wildly inconsistent after he got out of relief pitcher territory in pitch count. If you can get consistency in his fastball movement and some command of the offspeed in AAA, we'll see him again. If he doesn't do those things, we'll never hear his name again. No harm in trying to build the next Jon Garland in AAA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 Sent down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwolf68 Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 QUOTE (Jake @ Jun 19, 2012 -> 04:12 PM) I still believe an >90 mph sinker is a big enough weapon that you start him in AAA. What's asinine to me is that the Jays thought he'd ever be a reliever. You don't cultivate a sinking fastball in the bullpen. He has a decent change and curve, but his command of those pitches is inconsistent. His command overall yesterday became wildly inconsistent after he got out of relief pitcher territory in pitch count. If you can get consistency in his fastball movement and some command of the offspeed in AAA, we'll see him again. If he doesn't do those things, we'll never hear his name again. No harm in trying to build the next Jon Garland in AAA He has a terrible curve ball...TERRIBLE. His change up sucks too. His command is poor and isn't overpowering with his limited arsenal making him a meatball pitcher. There are literally tons of guys in the minors more competent as this pitcher. The only thing he has that is remotely adequate is a sinker. At best he's a career mop-up bullpen guy. Though I do agree with your comparison of Garland...if Zach Stewart could pitch worth a crap he would be similar to JG. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 Zach=Jeff Marquez Squared or Cubed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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