elrockinMT Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jun 19, 2012 -> 07:49 PM) elrockin, Peter Gammons tweeted on Friday that the White Sox offered Soler somewhere between $25-30 million. If they offered that much to Soler, the same may be available for this kid. Did anyone inside the organization confirm that? I know what you are saying, but as is stated later in posts July 2nd is amagic date and I am betting that the kid doesn't get hs needed paperwork until after that. I wonder when all of Cuban baseball defects Got to save some money for all the others Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILMOU Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 From the previous articles, there's supposed to be a workout in Mexico City sometime very soon. Looking forward to the reports, and assuming our scouts will be in attendance. In looking at the story on this guy, he's made several attempts at defection before succeeding. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that Raul isn't quite the hardliner that Fidel was. Wouldn't Fidel have just locked the guy up forever and thrown away the key back in the bad old days? Perhaps, the new thinking is that a few millionaire ballplayers sending boatloads of cash back to their remaining families on the island isn't such a bad thing. Gotta believe there's lots more Cubans on the way - great for baseball. Perhaps Cubano could comment if he's anywhere in the ether. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 (edited) PUIG is a much more refined and polished version of Soler, without quite the upside or downside risk. Older, much more international experience. And I'm not buying the whole idea of Soler as a five tool guy. We have our own guy in Hawkins, anyway. Seems like he could end up more of a complementary player (Leonys Martin, Leslie Anderson) than a superstar, but hard to tell. Alexei was supposed to be a Ramon Santiago/Juan Castro type of player and he was much better than that. http://sportstwo.com/threads/215834-Yasiel...d-to-hit-market 7-8 teams already in on him. Can't believe the Cubs would also go after him after all the money for Soler. 21 years old. Physically, he reminds me of a cross between Cespedes and DeAza. The picture on the left, he seems heavier, like Dayan. On the right, more like Alejandro. Cespedes is kind of in the middle, more muscular, a bit like Hawkins' build as well. Edited June 25, 2012 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILMOU Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 25, 2012 -> 01:10 PM) PUIG is a much more refined and polished version of Soler, without quite the upside or downside risk. Seeing what he did at 19 in their top league (.330 with 17 home runs and 78 RBI.), I think the upside is there, but who really knows? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 25, 2012 -> 01:10 PM) PUIG is a much more refined and polished version of Soler, without quite the upside or downside risk. Older, much more international experience. And I'm not buying the whole idea of Soler as a five tool guy. We have our own guy in Hawkins, anyway. Seems like he could end up more of a complementary player (Leonys Martin, Leslie Anderson) than a superstar, but hard to tell. Alexei was supposed to be a Ramon Santiago/Juan Castro type of player and he was much better than that. http://sportstwo.com/threads/215834-Yasiel...d-to-hit-market 7-8 teams already in on him. Can't believe the Cubs would also go after him after all the money for Soler. 21 years old. Physically, he reminds me of a cross between Cespedes and DeAza. The picture on the left, he seems heavier, like Dayan. On the right, more like Alejandro. Cespedes is kind of in the middle, more muscular, a bit like Hawkins' build as well. Ok, that is an error...that is not even the same dude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ Jun 26, 2012 -> 03:15 AM) Seeing what he did at 19 in their top league (.330 with 17 home runs and 78 RBI.), I think the upside is there, but who really knows? Throw out any stats from their leagues. Almost meaningless. Unless they had a particularly high walk rate, that would be noteworthy. You're right, nobody knows for sure. Just projections based on tools. I'd feel more comfortable giving Viciedo money to this guy than $30 million to Soler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 25, 2012 -> 02:17 PM) Ok, that is an error...that is not even the same dude. Yeah, it definitely looks like two different people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 25, 2012 -> 02:18 PM) Throw out any stats from their leagues. Almost meaningless. Unless they had a particularly high walk rate, that would be noteworthy. You're right, nobody knows for sure. Just projections based on tools. I'd feel more comfortable giving Viciedo money to this guy than $30 million to Soler. I have heard Cuban pro ball likened to about our High A or AA ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 25, 2012 -> 02:17 PM) Ok, that is an error...that is not even the same dude. Agreed. QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 25, 2012 -> 02:30 PM) I have heard Cuban pro ball likened to about our High A or AA ball. I have heard this as well. Their top league stats are at least worth listening to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 Jesse Sanchez @JesseSanchezMLB Puig update: Source says he has established residency in MX & paperwork filed to MLB & investigation process believed to be complete. #Cuba Source: An OFAC issue keeping Puig from free agency but it is expected to be resolved before 7/2 & possibly as early as Tuesday. #Cuba Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisoxfan09 Posted June 26, 2012 Author Share Posted June 26, 2012 Anyone venture to guess where Puig would rank among the Sox top 10 if he were to sign with us? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 QUOTE (SpainSOXfan09 @ Jun 26, 2012 -> 01:08 PM) Anyone venture to guess where Puig would rank among the Sox top 10 if he were to sign with us? Top two or three I am guessing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILMOU Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 26, 2012 -> 07:19 AM) Jesse Sanchez @JesseSanchezMLB Puig update: Source says he has established residency in MX & paperwork filed to MLB & investigation process believed to be complete. #Cuba Source: An OFAC issue keeping Puig from free agency but it is expected to be resolved before 7/2 & possibly as early as Tuesday. #Cuba Thanks for the update. Looks like he'll be in play. Ah, the greasable wheels of commerce. Now go get him KW! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisoxfan09 Posted June 26, 2012 Author Share Posted June 26, 2012 (edited) Ruh roh! Ben Badler of BA has a tweet up with link to a suscription report but the tweet is pretty negative about Puig. Link: https://twitter.com/BenBadler/status/217662075005177856 Report has a look at Yasiel Puig that's not too glowing. Only one team I've heard linked to him. http://bit.ly/MVhqUu Puig could be jockeying for the big payday before CBA restrict IFA spending. Pass on this one KW? Edited June 26, 2012 by SpainSOXfan09 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILMOU Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 QUOTE (SpainSOXfan09 @ Jun 26, 2012 -> 12:19 PM) Ruh roh! Ben Badler of BA has a tweet up with link to a suscription report but the tweet is pretty negative about Puig. Link: https://twitter.com/BenBadler/status/217662075005177856 Report has a look at Yasiel Puig that's not too glowing. Only one team I've heard linked to him. http://bit.ly/MVhqUu Puig could be jockeying for the big payday before CBA restrict IFA spending. Pass on this one KW? Must be that Theo loves him, and has started the competition-removing campaign. Kidding, kind of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/06/yase...free-agent.html He has been declared a free agent. Lets see if we bid for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 I'm sure we'll let our scouts look at him and some may already have an idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank_Thomas Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 Looks like the Cubs are looking to sign him as well. Amazing they at going to invest a good amount of money on three Cuban prospects in one season for all of them to be in the minors. I was kinda hoping KW would land atleast one of these guys. Anyways heres the story (if you care) on ChicagoBreakingSports.com: http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseb...0,7738476.story Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Fireworks Man Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 If the Sox can't compete financially with the Cubs for prospects, maybe it's time they consider moving out of Chicago to a city/sate that will support them and allow them to compete with the big market teams. If this craphole corrupt city would rather support the last place, over 100 years without a championship Cubs over the Sox, why do they even want to stick around. Move somewhere else and pick up a new fanbase. I'll still be a Sox fan and if they move somewhere nice maybe I'll even move there when I can retire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 (edited) Maybe because one of those prospects is a fringy 5th starter/LOOGY candidate...and the 2nd one they signed, we have another version in Hawkins that we spent 1/10th or 1/15th the amount of money, so I'd say we're going to get the much better ROI there. Reports on Puig, 21, have been modest, and other than a few light workouts this weekend, teams are working off limited information. He was suspended this past season in Cuba—some sources believe it was due to his attempts to leave the country, though some teams have conflicting information—so scouts haven't been able to see Puig in game condition since June 2011 for the Cuban national B team at the World Port Tournament in Rotterdam. The Rangers are the only team that Baseball America's sources have linked to Puig. "How can we evaluate someone like that?" asked one Latin American director. baseballamerica.com Edited June 28, 2012 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 (edited) Probably should change the thread title... "Sox COULD bid for Puig, no idea what price range he will end up at..." “There has not been a player as proven and as young to come to the States from Cuba," Torres told MLB.com. “It’s one thing to come to the United States at 19 or 20 years old with a few at-bats or some experience on a national level but this guy has years of national experience under his belt.” Puig may not have as high of a ceiling as Soler but is considered closer to the big leagues. Torres says his latest client is the same caliber of player as Yoenis Cespedes and Soler. "You have heard the other names because Puig was in Cuba and Soler and Cespedes were out of the country, it’s that simple," Torres said. “Before Soler got to the Dominican Republic, very few people knew who he was outside of his junior experience. Puig played in the Serie Nacional and was projected to be the right fielder for the national team for the upcoming years. Scouts know who Puig is.” http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseb...0,7738476.story Agent hype or reality? Edited June 28, 2012 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balfanman Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 QUOTE (South Side Fireworks Man @ Jun 27, 2012 -> 05:10 PM) If the Sox can't compete financially with the Cubs for prospects, maybe it's time they consider moving out of Chicago to a city/sate that will support them and allow them to compete with the big market teams. If this craphole corrupt city would rather support the last place, over 100 years without a championship Cubs over the Sox, why do they even want to stick around. Move somewhere else and pick up a new fanbase. I'll still be a Sox fan and if they move somewhere nice maybe I'll even move there when I can retire. And this magical location that we're going to move to is where? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottyDo Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 QUOTE (balfanman @ Jun 28, 2012 -> 09:10 AM) And this magical location that we're going to move to is where? Jacksonville! It's GENIUS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smalls2598 Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Rotoworld says he signed a $40 million deal with the Dodgers; doesn't state how many years. Also says Sox and Cubs had serious intrest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 I'm glad the Sox showed interest, but I'm also glad they didn't sink $40M into somebody who is far from a sure thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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