maggsmaggs Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (Real @ Jun 23, 2012 -> 07:03 AM) ugh, pointless trade Depends what we give up. If it's nothing major, can't hurt. If it's something important, then yes. Youk is better than what we have, but is clearly over the hill and comes with injury issues. I honestly think the Sox should trade Peavy for a top SP prospect and use his money to sign Greinke in the off-season. A White Flag trade is probably the best move for this team in the future. Edited June 23, 2012 by maggsmaggs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jun 23, 2012 -> 09:33 AM) Who knows how long it will be again until the Sox have two starters pitching like Sale and Peavy at the top of the rotation. They need to maximize this, problem is they probably won't have enough to trade for the best starter on the market, whoever that will be. I don't know how it would work out withe AJP, but Greinke is a guy the Sox should think about if the Brewers make him available. They should be able to hang with the other offers Miwaukee would receive considering its theoretically a 2 or 3 month rental. If he doesn't re-sign in Milwaukee, I wouldn't be surprised he's a White Sox target during the offseason, especially since it appears the Yankees and maybe the Red Sox will be out of that discussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPN366 Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 I'm still thinking Eduardo Escobar and Michael Earley. Boston has a team in the Carolina League, so their scouts have probably seen him. Maybe even Brady Shoemaker. I think a right handed power hitting outfielder, even an A Ball level one, would most appeal to the Red Sox. I'm very concerned KW will overpay. He better not trade any pitchers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted June 23, 2012 Author Share Posted June 23, 2012 A white flag trade would be a terrible move. If you think the attendance issues are bad now, a white flag trade would hamstring this club for the next 4 seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 23, 2012 -> 09:39 AM) I don't know how it would work out withe AJP, but Greinke is a guy the Sox should think about if the Brewers make him available. They should be able to hang with the other offers Miwaukee would receive considering its theoretically a 2 or 3 month rental. If he doesn't re-sign in Milwaukee, I wouldn't be surprised he's a White Sox target during the offseason, especially since it appears the Yankees and maybe the Red Sox will be out of that discussion. I'd target Greinke too since it's likely the biggest spenders won't. A top 3 of Sale, Greinke, and Danks pitching at or near their potential just about guarantees contention in the AL Central at the very least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted June 23, 2012 Author Share Posted June 23, 2012 If Greinke magically made his way here this season, the top 3 would be absolutely filthy. Then you have a mix of Humber, Quintana, Floyd and Danks rounding it out. That would be something else Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jun 23, 2012 -> 09:53 AM) If Greinke magically made his way here this season, the top 3 would be absolutely filthy. Then you have a mix of Humber, Quintana, Floyd and Danks rounding it out. That would be something else I think it's worth Viciedo, no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noonskadoodle Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jun 23, 2012 -> 10:53 AM) If Greinke magically made his way here this season, the top 3 would be absolutely filthy. Then you have a mix of Humber, Quintana, Floyd and Danks rounding it out. That would be something else Only way you get a guy like Greinke is by giving up Tank & I haven't seen enough of Jor Danks to wonder how I would feel about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPN366 Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jun 23, 2012 -> 09:56 AM) I think it's worth Viciedo, no? NO. They're not trading Viciedo. You're the only person who wants to trade Viciedo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Fireworks Man Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jun 23, 2012 -> 09:56 AM) I think it's worth Viciedo, no? No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jun 23, 2012 -> 09:51 AM) I'd target Greinke too since it's likely the biggest spenders won't. A top 3 of Sale, Greinke, and Danks pitching at or near their potential just about guarantees contention in the AL Central at the very least. I watched Greinke's post game interview last name and he reminds me of a socially awkward 13 year old. But then he pitches and he reminds you of [insert Cy Young award winner here, oh wait he already is one] Does anyone worry about those emotional issues he had a long time ago? To some extent I'm sympathetic to these things and I know you can walk away from those situations stronger than before, but I can't help but wonder especially since this would be his first big market experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 QUOTE (Jake @ Jun 23, 2012 -> 09:25 AM) This. The last thing I want us to do is gut our franchise for a starting pitcher right now. Agreed. If we can get Danks back, I'm not too worried about our starting pitching. Sale, Peavy, & Danks can be a very good #1/#2/#3. Gavin will hopefully go on one of his stretches of dominance soon. Quintana looks like he can be a solid #5. Plus we actually have some depth in Axelrod and Castro. A guy like Greinke would be amazing, but he's not worth 5 seasons of Viciedo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 QUOTE (Jake @ Jun 23, 2012 -> 09:59 AM) I watched Greinke's post game interview last name and he reminds me of a socially awkward 13 year old. Social anxiety disorder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 QUOTE (Noonskadoodle @ Jun 23, 2012 -> 02:01 PM) A Major League official suggested on Friday night that the White Sox have renewed interest in Kevin Youkilis. Chicago is using a converted second baseman, Orlando Hudson, at third base. The White Sox have had scouts in to see Youkilis and liked him enough that they would take him if the Red Sox absorbed most of his remaining salary, according to a source. Word that I hear is that Boston has realized that basically they will have to eat Youk's salary and won't get much in return. If we were to go with Youklis then it would be a minor league player in exchange is my guess. Boston wants to move Youklis and that is very obvious & I just hope the Sox aren't crazy enough to give up someone on our major league roster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 QUOTE (JPN366 @ Jun 23, 2012 -> 09:58 AM) NO. They're not trading Viciedo. You're the only person who wants to trade Viciedo. You wouldn't deal Viciedo for Greinke with Sale and Peavy pitching the way they are this year? That top 3 could win you a World Series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 I'd rather pay handsomely for a third baseman than a starting pitcher. How many aces do you need? A Greinke-type trade gives you three plus Danks who is a damn solid 2, plus Floyd who has pitched like a nice 2 before and could certainly make himself into the best 5 in baseball. And I'm not even mentioning lights out Quintana. We have lots of starting pitchers and several more starting pitchers I'd try out from the MiLB before I'd say we have a legit problem there. Trading for a long term option at 3B would make more sense since 1. Brent Morel was never going to be a star even if healthy and meeting potential and 2. We may never see Brent Morel again and have no real 3B in the MiLB Or we can stand pat/make a minor move and not rid ourselves of the few young players of value that we have. Try to let the talented players on the MLB roster play well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 QUOTE (JPN366 @ Jun 23, 2012 -> 09:58 AM) NO. They're not trading Viciedo. You're the only person who wants to trade Viciedo. In the right deal, I'd pack Viciedo's bags and drive him to the airport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jun 23, 2012 -> 03:03 PM) You wouldn't deal Viciedo for Greinke with Sale and Peavy pitching the way they are this year? That top 3 could win you a World Series. Who would replace Viciedo? The kid has shown some flashes of being a real good player, but I might agree a Grienke, if signed to a long term commitment with the Sox would be ok with me. Maybe Jordan Danks can play in LF, or we go after Quentin and get him back from SD. Edited June 23, 2012 by elrockinMT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 QUOTE (Jake @ Jun 23, 2012 -> 10:06 AM) I'd rather pay handsomely for a third baseman than a starting pitcher. How many aces do you need? A Greinke-type trade gives you three plus Danks who is a damn solid 2, plus Floyd who has pitched like a nice 2 before and could certainly make himself into the best 5 in baseball. And I'm not even mentioning lights out Quintana. You need as many aces as you can get because sometimes aces don't pitch like aces. If they do pitch like aces the Sox are World Series contenders. Of course it's a gamble, but if you can trade Daniel Hudson (and Holmberg) for Jackson and Gonzalez for Swisher, you certainly can trade Viciedo for Greinke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Jun 23, 2012 -> 10:10 AM) Who would replace Viciedo? The kid has shown some flashes of being a real good player, but I might agree a Grienke, if signed to a long term commitment with the Sox would be ok with me. Maybe Jordan Danks can play in LF, or we go after Quentin and get him back from SD. Youk replaces Hudson. Danks and you're right, you can find a LF'er like Quentin or someone of lesser stature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPN366 Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 Yes, deplete the offense by trading away a young power hitter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jun 23, 2012 -> 10:17 AM) You need as many aces as you can get because sometimes aces don't pitch like aces. If they do pitch like aces the Sox are World Series contenders. Of course it's a gamble, but if you can trade Daniel Hudson (and Holmberg) for Jackson and Gonzalez for Swisher, you certainly can trade Viciedo for Greinke. So you cite two of KW's worst and most short-sighted moves as support for trading Viciedo for 3 months of Greinke. That makes no sense. Also, not defending the Jackson deal, but he was under control for an extra season, so the Sox had the opportunity to recoup some of the cost that next deadline or would at least be eligible for draft pick compensation if they held on to him. You're only guaranteed 3 months of Greinke if you trade for him. If you don't win the World Series, you risk losing 5 years of Viciedo for nothing. I'd rather wait until the offseason, use the Peavy money towards a Greinke offer and keep Viciedo at the same time. Edited June 23, 2012 by Chicago White Sox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 I would trade Viciedo for Greinke if Greinke would sign an extension. Greinke will not sign an extension and I would also be worried about Zack in a market like Chicago. I agree with all of the posters with the fact that getting Greinke would be a major coup. I just don't think we have anywhere near enough to pry him away. I asked the same question earlier. If you were Doug Melvin, what would you find as a suitable return from the Sox for Greinke? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 QUOTE (JPN366 @ Jun 23, 2012 -> 10:34 AM) Yes, deplete the offense by trading away a young power hitter. If Grienke had a couple years left on his contract, I could see it, but trading Viciedo for 2 months of Grienke is the type of move that gets your team very bad for a very long time. I'd give up a couple prospects. I'd see if they had any interest in Floyd. The days of giving up your top young players for 2 month rentals are either ova or very close to it. If some team was willing to give Milwaukee Viciedo equivalent players, you wait until the winter and see if you can sign him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daa84 Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 (edited) viciedo has a .285 on base percentage. yes he's young and has power, but lets not act like hes a young frank thomas im not saying trade him for greinke. im just trying to say he shouldnt be untradable Edited June 23, 2012 by daa84 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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