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QUOTE (CrimsonWeltall @ Jul 30, 2012 -> 09:31 AM)
Ridiculous that Weiber, who finished 4th in qualifiers, doesn't make the 24-person All-Around competition because two other Americans were ahead of her.

Yeah - it's kinda f***ed up. I presume that rule is there simply so there aren't 5 Americans, 5 Chinese, and 5 Ruskies every year.

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QUOTE (CrimsonWeltall @ Jul 30, 2012 -> 09:31 AM)
Ridiculous that Weiber, who finished 4th in qualifiers, doesn't make the 24-person All-Around competition because two other Americans were ahead of her.

 

That TV coverage was just absolutely brutal, the way the camera just followed her around the entire arena.

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QUOTE (CrimsonWeltall @ Jul 30, 2012 -> 09:31 AM)
Ridiculous that Weiber, who finished 4th in qualifiers, doesn't make the 24-person All-Around competition because two other Americans were ahead of her.

 

These type of rules are pretty common place, its why countries can only qualify X teams in certain sports.

 

It hurts the overall competition, but its to give everyone a chance.

 

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QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Jul 30, 2012 -> 03:57 PM)
These type of rules are pretty common place, its why countries can only qualify X teams in certain sports.

 

It hurts the overall competition, but its to give everyone a chance.

 

The Americans were only allowed to send a team of 5 to the Olympics. Even if all 5 were monsters, that's only 5/24 slots. There's plenty of remaining room.

 

Just doesn't make sense to knock out a #4 seed in favor of a #25 seed.

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QUOTE (CrimsonWeltall @ Jul 30, 2012 -> 09:59 AM)
The Americans were only allowed to send a team of 5 to the Olympics. Even if all 5 were monsters, that's only 5/24 slots. There's plenty of remaining room.

 

Just doesn't make sense to knock out a #4 seed in favor of a #25 seed.

 

Did you see Bob Costas discussing it with Bela Karolyi(sp)? He made the awful mistake of comparing it to the NCAA tournament not allowing the 3rd place ACC/B1G team in to let a weaker team in. Um Bob, the tourney is not the best 68 teams. Several lower teams make it, simply because of their conference affiliation.

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QUOTE (CrimsonWeltall @ Jul 30, 2012 -> 09:59 AM)
The Americans were only allowed to send a team of 5 to the Olympics. Even if all 5 were monsters, that's only 5/24 slots. There's plenty of remaining room.

 

Just doesn't make sense to knock out a #4 seed in favor of a #25 seed.

 

But it happens in basically every Olympic sport. Usually the cut is before the Olympics, most people just dont realize.

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QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jul 30, 2012 -> 10:04 AM)
Did you see Bob Costas discussing it with Bela Karolyi(sp)? He made the awful mistake of comparing it to the NCAA tournament not allowing the 3rd place ACC/B1G team in to let a weaker team in. Um Bob, the tourney is not the best 68 teams. Several lower teams make it, simply because of their conference affiliation.

 

He was snapping about it. I couldn't understand most of what he said, but he was good and pissed off.

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QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jul 30, 2012 -> 10:04 AM)
Did you see Bob Costas discussing it with Bela Karolyi(sp)? He made the awful mistake of comparing it to the NCAA tournament not allowing the 3rd place ACC/B1G team in to let a weaker team in. Um Bob, the tourney is not the best 68 teams. Several lower teams make it, simply because of their conference affiliation.

 

The better comparison is to how MLB used to work, where the team with the 3rd best record in the AL may not make the playoffs if they happen to be 3rd in the AL East.

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QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jul 30, 2012 -> 03:04 PM)
Did you see Bob Costas discussing it with Bela Karolyi(sp)? He made the awful mistake of comparing it to the NCAA tournament not allowing the 3rd place ACC/B1G team in to let a weaker team in. Um Bob, the tourney is not the best 68 teams. Several lower teams make it, simply because of their conference affiliation.

 

The comparison works. The NCAA Tourney has at least the top 40 teams because of all the at-large bids. You'd never see the #4 ranked AP team kept out of the tournament because #2 and #3 were in the same conference.

 

No one really cares if a 18-12 major conference team gets displaced by an inferior mid-major who grabbed an auto-bid because that 18-12 team is mediocre and has virtually no chance of winning. Weiber would have been a favorite.

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QUOTE (CrimsonWeltall @ Jul 30, 2012 -> 10:11 AM)
So why have another cut of that nature IN the Olympics? Does any other sport do that?

 

I would bet they have limits in other sports. For instance, they would almost have to limit the marathon, otherwise it would be all guys from Kenya.

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But it happens in basically every Olympic sport. Usually the cut is before the Olympics, most people just dont realize.

 

Countries can only qualify two people for individual events in swimming, three in track&field, etc.

 

Since gymnastics has a team component and you are bringing at least five gymnasts anyway, they can afford to wait until the Olympic preliminaries to make the cut down to two gymnasts for the individual competition.

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QUOTE (CrimsonWeltall @ Jul 30, 2012 -> 10:16 AM)
The comparison works. The NCAA Tourney has at least the top 40 teams because of all the at-large bids. You'd never see the #4 ranked AP team kept out of the tournament because #2 and #3 were in the same conference.

 

No one really cares if a 18-12 major conference team gets displaced by an inferior mid-major who grabbed an auto-bid because that 18-12 team is mediocre and has virtually no chance of winning. Weiber would have been a favorite.

 

The at-large bids prevent the top teams from missing the tourney, but it's still a similar concept. In one "sport", each country must be represented twice, so it's not the 24 best overall gymnasts. In b-ball, every conference must be represented once, so it's not the 68 best basketball teams. The exclusions are lower down on the totem pole, but they are still there.

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QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jul 30, 2012 -> 03:41 PM)
The at-large bids prevent the top teams from missing the tourney, but it's still a similar concept. In one "sport", each country must be represented twice

 

No, the rule is that each country can be represented twice AT MOST, not that each country must be represented twice.

 

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jul 30, 2012 -> 03:41 PM)
, so it's not the 24 best overall gymnasts. In b-ball, every conference must be represented once, so it's not the 68 best basketball teams. The exclusions are lower down on the totem pole, but they are still there.

 

There's a world of difference between a #4 seed contender and a #50 seed needed solely to fill out a bracket

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QUOTE (CrimsonWeltall @ Jul 30, 2012 -> 10:45 AM)
No, the rule is that each country can be represented twice AT MOST, not that each country must be represented twice.

 

Oops. For some reason, I thought it was 12 countries qualified and each country gets two gymnasts into the finals.

 

There's a world of difference between a #4 seed contender and a #50 seed needed solely to fill out a bracket

 

I see the difference, but it's still a format that allows for lesser teams to qualify based on their affiliation.

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QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Jul 30, 2012 -> 11:29 AM)
Stolen from twitter:

 

"I'm not suggesting that NBC's use of tape-delay is getting out of hand, but I think they just aired something from the 2008 Olympics."

Everytime they show Phelps' mom yet again in THIS Olympics, they might as well show something from 2008. That's old news, find a new story for f***'s sake.

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Every Olympic sport seems to have stupid qualifying rules. In the men's 400 IM, there was a swimmer from Qatar who finished with a time of 5:21. The 2nd slowest finished ended up at 4:35. How is a guy like that allowed into the Olympics? They are lucky he didn't drown during the race.

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QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Jul 30, 2012 -> 12:29 PM)
Stolen from twitter:

 

"I'm not suggesting that NBC's use of tape-delay is getting out of hand, but I think they just aired something from the 2008 Olympics."

The NBC Delayed twitter feed is pretty good.

@NBCDelayed

 

CORRECTION: Dewey doesn't defeat Truman, Truman re-elected President.

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