Balta1701 Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 The Bulls should get a trade exemption of some level out of that also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Jul 13, 2012 -> 03:23 PM) I get the notion that the Bulls feel like they have invested so much time into him, that they don't want to see him blossum somewhere else, but it just doesn't make sense to me, especially with Taj coming up for a contract. Like it or not, he's still a 26 year old 7 footer who can play solid defense, and there aren't a whole lot of those in the league. He's been in there 2 years, so he still might wlel have room for his offensive game to grow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Jul 13, 2012 -> 02:19 PM) KC Johnson. Ah, gotcha. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Jul 13, 2012 -> 02:23 PM) I get the notion that the Bulls feel like they have invested so much time into him, that they don't want to see him blossum somewhere else, but it just doesn't make sense to me, especially with Taj coming up for a contract. I think pretty much everyone agrees that Taj > Asik. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RZZZA Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 (edited) I will miss the hot sauce this team just got a whole lot less sexy Edited July 13, 2012 by RZZZA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 QUOTE (RZZZA @ Jul 13, 2012 -> 02:24 PM) I will miss the hot sauce lol this team has no outside shooting now. Korver was the only efficient 3 point shooter on the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RZZZA Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 yeeeppp...Korver was a damn good 3pt shooter. Maybe they'll sign a one dimensional guy for the min or something now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 13, 2012 -> 02:24 PM) Like it or not, he's still a 26 year old 7 footer who can play solid defense, and there aren't a whole lot of those in the league. He's been in there 2 years, so he still might wlel have room for his offensive game to grow. Celtics got Greg Stiemsma for basically 0. His per was 13.62 last year (Asik's was 13.44) The problem with the NBA is that if the guy isnt well scouted in college, many NBA teams just wont even look at them. With Asik's lack of improvement on the offensive end, there is just no way to justify this contract. There are a handful of NCAA players each year who are 7 feet or so that arent even drafted, who can just be a body in the middle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RZZZA Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 Don't sell Asik short, not easy to be an elite defender/rebounder like him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 Read the threads, I was one of the people who was a huge Asik supporter, I didnt even want to trade him for OJ Mayo. That being said, he is not worth the contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Jul 13, 2012 -> 02:29 PM) I just hope they have a plan. I totally understand the 2012-2013 season. They know its lost, and they don't want to spend the money on veterans for nothing. That makes sense to me. BUT, what do you do with the team when Rose does come back? If you expect him to be superman and carry the entire team, with the Heat, Nets, and whoever else, that isn't going to work In my opinion the Bulls should be focusing on 3 years from now. Next year is likely wasted as Rose is going to be fresh off of injury. 2 years from now will be Rose's first full year so you cant expect to much. 3 years from now is when its likely the Bulls can make a good run, and that also will hopefully coincide with Wade starting to break down. Which is why I think the bulls should really just move people and start getting picks, etc. Hopefully hit on 1 and use the others to trade for 1 other superstar to put with Rose/Noah/Taj. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Jul 13, 2012 -> 02:27 PM) Celtics got Greg Stiemsma for basically 0. His per was 13.62 last year (Asik's was 13.44) The problem with the NBA is that if the guy isnt well scouted in college, many NBA teams just wont even look at them. With Asik's lack of improvement on the offensive end, there is just no way to justify this contract. There are a handful of NCAA players each year who are 7 feet or so that arent even drafted, who can just be a body in the middle. Stiemsma actually had a lower DRating than Asik last year and Asik had a 92, which was one of the lowest in all of the NBA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Jul 13, 2012 -> 02:29 PM) Read the threads, I was one of the people who was a huge Asik supporter, I didnt even want to trade him for OJ Mayo. That being said, he is not worth the contract. IMO, Omer is a very talent roll player. but he doesnt have the skill set to be a full time player and I dont want a back-up roll playing center to make $15m a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 QUOTE (chw42 @ Jul 13, 2012 -> 03:32 PM) Stiemsma actually had a lower DRating than Asik last year and Asik had a 92, which was one of the lowest in all of the NBA. I have no idea what this stat means? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 Asik is better than Steimsma, but is he like $8mil better? That is the question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Jul 13, 2012 -> 08:29 PM) I just hope they have a plan. I totally understand the 2012-2013 season. They know its lost, and they don't want to spend the money on veterans for nothing. That makes sense to me. BUT, what do you do with the team when Rose does come back? If you expect him to be superman and carry the entire team, with the Heat, Nets, and whoever else, that isn't going to work Yep, the plan has to be to give yourself as much flexibility after this coming season to make necessary changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RZZZA Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 I have no idea what this stat means? It doesn't mean much really. A lower D rating is better, but D rating is a stat that is influenced heavily by the other players on the team so it doesn't tell you much about individual defense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 It doesnt matter, Steimsma is getting league minimum and was picked up from Europe. Asik is about to get paid a ton. Point being there are other bigs like Asik, you just gotta do your homework to find them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RZZZA Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 Check out this thread if you want a detailed break down of Asiks impact on the floor http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic....0&t=1191421 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan99 Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Jul 13, 2012 -> 02:23 PM) I get the notion that the Bulls feel like they have invested so much time into him, that they don't want to see him blossum somewhere else, but it just doesn't make sense to me, especially with Taj coming up for a contract. They are just downright stupid if they think he is ever going to blossom on the offensive end and that is the reason they are keeping him. When you are 26 years old, can't catch, have no post moves, and have no touch whatsoever you are never going to be competent on the offensive end of the court. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 QUOTE (RZZZA @ Jul 13, 2012 -> 02:44 PM) Check out this thread if you want a detailed break down of Asiks impact on the floor http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic....0&t=1191421 The problem with those stats is that there are no controls. If Asik is on the floor with Taj, Deng and other good defenders obviously the defense numbers will be higher. Add to that Asik plays many minutes against the 2nd team, so once again his defensive numbers should be inflated. Hes terrible on offense, and it adds to the Bulls struggles because they are playing 4 on 5, leaving a big to roam and double. A big reason why the bulls offense gets stagnant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MexSoxFan#1 Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 13, 2012 -> 02:24 PM) Like it or not, he's still a 26 year old 7 footer who can play solid defense, and there aren't a whole lot of those in the league. He's been in there 2 years, so he still might wlel have room for his offensive game to grow. I've basically given up on Asik improving his offensive game, he has shown no signs he has any kind of.touch in the mid range game, he ALWAYS bring the ball down low when he gets O rebs and gets stripped and has hands made of concrete, always fumbling crisp passes. He's not worth that contract, he'll always be a nice defender and rebounder and that's it. Edited July 13, 2012 by MexSoxFan#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 @KCJHoop The Korver trade is via Minnesota into Atlanta's traded player exception, meaning Bulls get 2nd-round pick from Minny and save $500K. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RZZZA Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 yes, a 2nd rounder. Now I like this deal a lot better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 2nds are pretty useless, but maybe the Bulls will pick a guy like Jared Berggren who could do a lot of what Asik does, but also can shoot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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