2012-2013 NBA thread

[Dick Allen]

I don't understand a lot of the frustration over Rose not returning yet. I know everyone pointed to Shumpert's return as a sign that Rose is taking too long to recover, but Shumpert's playing about 20 minutes a night so far and doesn't look strong at all (terrible shooting percentage). At this point, I'm beginning to think it's best just to let Rose sit out remainder of the year.

I think its beyond a longshot the Bulls can win if he comes back this season, but unless he's at a greater risk than normal to get re-injured, I think the only way he's going to get ready to play is by playing in games. That and it can take any doubts out of his mind during the offseason. I read where Rose doesn't really like playing much during the summer. He would rather just work out and do some drills. If he doesn't play this season, and I still think he will play sometime during this roadtrip, he's still probably going to have some mental doubt in his head starting next season. Get that over with.

[Balta1701]

I don't understand a lot of the frustration over Rose not returning yet. I know everyone pointed to Shumpert's return as a sign that Rose is taking too long to recover, but Shumpert's playing about 20 minutes a night so far and doesn't look strong at all (terrible shooting percentage). At this point, I'm beginning to think it's best just to let Rose sit out remainder of the year.

If there was a real, legit chance that Rose would be out for the year, it was insanity for the Bulls to put themselves into luxury tax territory while simultaneously losing Asik.

 

They lost players to save salary, then added enough players to try to stay competitive, but the 2nd step put them in tax territory, where they'll face the multi-year penalty if they do it again.

 

If they wanted to stop caring about the tax and stay 100% competitive this year because they were expecting Derrick back, great. Going over the Tax when there's a good chance of 0 Rose, madnenss.

[ZoomSlowik]

If there was a real, legit chance that Rose would be out for the year, it was insanity for the Bulls to put themselves into luxury tax territory while simultaneously losing Asik.

 

They lost players to save salary, then added enough players to try to stay competitive, but the 2nd step put them in tax territory, where they'll face the multi-year penalty if they do it again.

 

If they wanted to stop caring about the tax and stay 100% competitive this year because they were expecting Derrick back, great. Going over the Tax when there's a good chance of 0 Rose, madnenss.

 

It's all Kirk Hinrich's fault.

[Balta1701]

It's all Kirk Hinrich's fault.

Kinda.

 

That deal really hurts if Rose isn't back.

[ptatc]

Getting sick of watching the shell of this team.

 

 

f*** injuries

I would like to see how the Bulls compare to the rest of the league in injury days like we saw for the Sox. They may come a time where people start to question the " win each game at all cost" philosophy of Thibs. Basketball is a high energy game and there may be a point of pushing to hard and have the team tire out or become too injured.

[Balta1701]

I would like to see how the Bulls compare to the rest of the league in injury days like we saw for the Sox. They may come a time where people start to question the " win each game at all cost" philosophy of Thibs. Basketball is a high energy game and there may be a point of pushing to hard and have the team tire out or become too injured.

Do you count Rose or not?

[ptatc]

Do you count Rose or not?

I would count all injuries just like they did for the MLB study. I don't following the NBA close enough to get a gauge on it. There just seems to be a lot of injuries with the Bulls. I haven't done anything with the NBA since the early 90's and most of my friends have left the league.

[Balta1701]

I would count all injuries just like they did for the MLB study. I don't following the NBA close enough to get a gauge on it. There just seems to be a lot of injuries with the Bulls. I haven't done anything with the NBA since the early 90's and most of my friends have left the league.

Here's numbers for the 3 previous seasons. Nothing seems particularly drastically odd about the Bulls, even with guys like Hamilton piling up the injury days.

[ptatc]

Here's numbers for the 3 previous seasons. Nothing seems particularly drastically odd about the Bulls, even with guys like Hamilton piling up the injury days.

That was written at the end of last season. So that means that it included 2 years of Thibs coaching, correct?

[Balta1701]

That was written at the end of last season. So that means that it included 2 years of Thibs coaching, correct?

Correct. ANd the chart at the top makes it seem like the worst year for Bulls injuries was actually their last season of VDN.

[Jake]

Correct. ANd the chart at the top makes it seem like the worst year for Bulls injuries was actually their last season of VDN.

 

Vinny worked 'em like dogs, what a hardass

[ptatc]

Correct. ANd the chart at the top makes it seem like the worst year for Bulls injuries was actually their last season of VDN.

Thanks for the info. Being in the field these things always interest me. Many times I think the primary variable is youth and winning. Younger player get hurt less and when you are winning everyone wants to be out there and small things hurt less.

[SexiAlexei]

http://espn.go.com/chicago/nba/story/_/id/...oot-source-says

 

So it's all in his head now. He is at no more of a risk of re injuring that ACL than anyone else blowing out theirs.

 

He needs to get out there and play. Waiting until next year to return is just delaying the mental portion of the rehab process.

[Dick Allen]

http://espn.go.com/chicago/nba/story/_/id/...oot-source-says

 

So it's all in his head now. He is at no more of a risk of re injuring that ACL than anyone else blowing out theirs.

 

He needs to get out there and play. Waiting until next year to return is just delaying the mental portion of the rehab process.

I agree. I've been fine with him taking his time, but if the doctor says his knee is good to go, the best way for him to get anywhere close to his 110% requirement is to play.

[Steve9347]

I can't take any more of this.

[ptatc]

I agree. I've been fine with him taking his time, but if the doctor says his knee is good to go, the best way for him to get anywhere close to his 110% requirement is to play.

Odds are he had the medical clearance about a month ago. It's just coming out now. Just because it is medically sound doesn't mean he "feels" normal. Hopefully with it becoming public he gets a little more confident in the knee.

[soxsoxsoxsox]

Sunday would be a good day for TEH RETURN! ABC afternoon game, and Bulls won't play again til Wednesday. ONE TIME!

 

[Dick Allen]

DRose's surgeon from the Tribune:

 

 

think there’s actually a lot of therapeutic benefit to starting with early minutes when it’s safe,” Cole said then. “You have to play to play. All these muscle patterns have to kick in. You can do that off the court informally. But there’s a lot of benefit to playing. Whether he has to go 40 minutes, that’s a whole different story. Just getting out there and playing when he’s able, that’s when his exponential growth is going to come.

 

"The good news is he’s an incredible athlete. The other good news is he’s an unbelievably hard worker who wants this more than anything. We’re not going to rush him. The most important thing is all of us feel comfortable based on specific parameters that he’s ready to go as we advance him. If he’s not ready, we just delay. If he’s ready, we move him to the next stage.”

 

Put your uniform on DRose.

[SexiAlexei]

Sunday would be a good day for TEH RETURN! ABC afternoon game, and Bulls won't play again til Wednesday. ONE TIME!

I don't agree.

 

Doesn't Dwight usually knock Rose around when they play each other?

[Steve9347]

You will all be shocked to read that Kirk Hinrich is not playing tonight.

[southsider2k5]

I agree. I've been fine with him taking his time, but if the doctor says his knee is good to go, the best way for him to get anywhere close to his 110% requirement is to play.

 

Once he gets Reggie's OK, then he can play again.

[Dick Allen]

Odds are he had the medical clearance about a month ago. It's just coming out now. Just because it is medically sound doesn't mean he "feels" normal. Hopefully with it becoming public he gets a little more confident in the knee.

I think he could sit out the next 2 years and the first time he plays he won't feel normal.IMO, the only way to get his knee to feel "normal" again is to play. Isn't playing real games an actual part of rehab for injuries like this?

Edited March 8, 2013 by Dick Allen

[ptatc]

I think he could sit out the next 2 years and the first time he plays he won't feel normal.IMO, the only way to get his knee to feel "normal" again is to play. Isn't playing real games an actual part of rehab for injuries like this?

Yes it is. It's the SAID (Specific Adaptation to Imposed Demands) principle at it's best. You won't get good at it until you do it. The problem is that his knee won't feel normal for about 18 months post-op. So playing now he won't feel normal until next year. He is doing all the basketball drills and is doing game situation things but not at the intensity and endurance that a game requires. He needs to get back in the games to build everything up. That is part of it.

 

However, as stated, it's not going to feel normal this whole season. By most accounts of the pro athletes I've worked with anyway.

[Steve9347]

Derrick Rose doesn't beliiiiiive he can flyyyyyyyy. He's not quite ready to touch the skyyyyyyyyy.

[Soxfest]

Rose has no issues on the 15th and 30th of the month..................Rose needs to play If cleared!