2012-2013 NBA thread

[bmags]

Serious Q: Can Thibs fix him?

 

Wouldn't you just prefer we get better talent? We have enough of a project for thibs in Teague.

[Soxbadger]

Hardaway Jr. not having handles is kind of baffling considering his father's were pretty legendary.

 

Cause its not true.

 

Steve has maybe seen Hardaway play 2-3 times. He admittedly doesnt watch college basketball.

[Steve9347]

Cause its not true.

 

Steve has maybe seen Hardaway play 2-3 times. He admittedly doesnt watch college basketball.

I saw how he looked against good competition all tournament long. He's a dumb player.

 

But hey, it's not like the competition in the NBA is good or anything. The games you saw him play against your bunk-ass unathletic, no NBA prospects Wisconsin team aren't a true gauge of elite, next-level competition.

[Steve9347]

[Soxbadger]

I saw how he looked against good competition all tournament long. He's a dumb player.

 

But hey, it's not like the competition in the NBA is good or anything. The games you saw him play against your bunk-ass unathletic, no NBA prospects Wisconsin team aren't a true gauge of elite, next-level competition.

 

Right because your opinion after watching him for 2 games is really something Id hang my hat on.

 

Not 1 draft site talks about his "bad handles", everyone talks about his bad shooting, but you have to understand Michigan's system (most NBA fans dont watch a lot of college so they dont understand) is to take early fast shots, so he is supposed to jack them up.

 

The "best" college player, Trey Burke, shoots a bunch of ridiculous shots for the same reason.

 

But please enlighten us all. Im sure you are very familiar with Beilein.

[Soxbadger]

This is also going to be one the shallowest drafts ever, so Im not saying Hardaway is a world beater, its more given who else is out there, that Hardaway is an interesting prospect for a non-lottery team.

[Balta1701]

Wouldn't you just prefer we get better talent? We have enough of a project for thibs in Teague.

Will that be available around pick #20?

[lostfan]

Wouldn't you just prefer we get better talent? We have enough of a project for thibs in Teague.

How's Hardaway not talented though? Great athlete, would be good value at #20. Or wherever the Bulls pick. I forget. I'm crossing them with the Bears in my head.

[Soxbadger]

Will that be available around pick #20?

 

This draft may be one of the worst ever

 

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft/resul...100/_/year/2013

 

That has Burke, McGary and GRIII all in the top 15. If those guys dont declare...

[southsider2k5]

How's Hardaway not talented though? Great athlete, would be good value at #20. Or wherever the Bulls pick. I forget. I'm crossing them with the Bears in my head.

 

He has tons of talent. He just has a lot of word to do to hit his ceiling. He is a terrible defender, and could use some work on his basketball IQ for sure. That alone would make him a tough fit for Thibs. He wouldn't play for at least a year, mabye two.

[bmags]

How's Hardaway not talented though? Great athlete, would be good value at #20. Or wherever the Bulls pick. I forget. I'm crossing them with the Bears in my head.

 

I'm not saying he's not talented, but I think it's not hard to find a talent like hardaway. Oh great, an athletic drive oriented player that can't shoot. That totally helps solve our problems!

[Steve9347]

Right because your opinion after watching him for 2 games is really something Id hang my hat on.

 

Not 1 draft site talks about his "bad handles", everyone talks about his bad shooting, but you have to understand Michigan's system (most NBA fans dont watch a lot of college so they dont understand) is to take early fast shots, so he is supposed to jack them up.

 

The "best" college player, Trey Burke, shoots a bunch of ridiculous shots for the same reason.

 

But please enlighten us all. Im sure you are very familiar with Beilein.

Dude, just because you watch a lot of s***ty college basketball doesn't make you an expert, either. Hardaway is a detriment the moment he puts the ball on the floor. Anyone who watches more than one game can see this.

 

This is especially true of Hardaway. The shooting guard is excellent on catch-and-shoots (1.227 PPP), but his efficiency drops precipitously once he is forced to put the ball on the floor. Once Hardaway takes a dribble, his points per trip drop to just 0.711. Fly by on closeouts if that's what it takes, but make Hardaway do more than stand with his finger in the wind on the perimeter -- especially in the open floor.

 

Eamonn Brennan has eyes.

 

He'll be eaten alive at the next level, and the mere fact that he shares his father's name means he's going to spend 4 years hurting some team in the NBA. Hopefully, it won't be the Bulls.

Edited April 9, 2013 by Steve9347

[Soxbadger]

I'm not saying he's not talented, but I think it's not hard to find a talent like hardaway. Oh great, an athletic drive oriented player that can't shoot. That totally helps solve our problems!

 

Well who are you guys suggesting?

 

I assume that we can all agree that if 21 year old Michael Jordan is available the Bulls should draft him, but given that we are in 2013 and the bulls are going to have to select from the players who are available in this class, who exactly is so much better?

 

Is it Jamaal Franklin? Worse shooter and more turnovers?

 

Maybe a guy like Doug McDermott falls, but then you have an entirely different set of questions.

 

This draft just looks really poor on paper.

[Soxbadger]

Dude, just because you watch a lot of s***ty college basketball doesn't make you an expert, either. Hardaway is a detriment the moment he puts the ball on the floor. Anyone who watches more than one game can see this.

 

This is especially true of Hardaway. The shooting guard is excellent on catch-and-shoots (1.227 PPP), but his efficiency drops precipitously once he is forced to put the ball on the floor. Once Hardaway takes a dribble, his points per trip drop to just 0.711. Fly by on closeouts if that's what it takes, but make Hardaway do more than stand with his finger in the wind on the perimeter -- especially in the open floor.

 

Eamonn Brennan has eyes.

 

He'll be eaten alive at the next level, and the mere fact that he shares his father's name means he's going to spend 4 years hurting some team in the NBA. Hopefully, it won't be the Bulls.

 

I never said Im an expert. I just said that Ive seen Hardaway play more than you have, and that not one report has ever said "He has bad handles"

 

So just own up to being wrong, because Eamonn Brennan's point is in direct conflict with yours "excellent on catch and shoots" yet you say he just jacks up bad shots?

 

Should I just buy you a shovel so you can start digging a hole? Just be honest, youve never really seen Hardaway play besides for 1-2 games.

[bmags]

Well who are you guys suggesting?

 

I assume that we can all agree that if 21 year old Michael Jordan is available the Bulls should draft him, but given that we are in 2013 and the bulls are going to have to select from the players who are available in this class, who exactly is so much better?

 

Is it Jamaal Franklin? Worse shooter and more turnovers?

 

Maybe a guy like Doug McDermott falls, but then you have an entirely different set of questions.

 

This draft just looks really poor on paper.

 

It's an awful draft. Honestly, I was all for tanking, but this was a really bad draft to tank for anyways. To me, none of the guards available to the bulls will do anything more than add depth, so I don't really care, but if we are going to add a SG that is similar to what we've had past 4 years, i'd rather try and hoard more PF/C depth.

[Soxbadger]

Once again, lack of first step, is not "Bad handles" which is why I asked you to clarify your nonsense.

 

Here is your post, just in case you forgot as you are now completely changing your opinion after youve read other peoples.

 

When forced to dribble the ball, he turns it over (bad handles) He puts up bad shots from bad locations and thinks he's king s*** because daddy was in the NBA (idiot).

 

Once again, what type of shovel would you like?

 

And great you dont want him on the Bulls, I asked who do people want that is realistic? So far crickets.

 

Its really easy to say "Oh that player sucks" much harder to actually come up with your own suggestion.

[lostfan]

He has tons of talent. He just has a lot of word to do to hit his ceiling. He is a terrible defender, and could use some work on his basketball IQ for sure. That alone would make him a tough fit for Thibs. He wouldn't play for at least a year, mabye two.

Derrick Rose wasn't a good defender at all when he first came to the Bulls. Not so much poor work ethic, as much as he just didn't really know what he was doing. If you have athleticism and you can be coached, you can learn in Thibs' system.

[Soxbadger]

It's an awful draft. Honestly, I was all for tanking, but this was a really bad draft to tank for anyways. To me, none of the guards available to the bulls will do anything more than add depth, so I don't really care, but if we are going to add a SG that is similar to what we've had past 4 years, i'd rather try and hoard more PF/C depth.

 

I could definitely see getting a big if a guy like McGary or Zeller are there. I dont know, its just seemingly a bunch of meh.

 

Im not a huge fan of Len or Olynyk, I hate duke so I want nothing to do with Plumlee.

 

This draft class just doesnt seem real when you look at the weakness of talent.

[southsider2k5]

Derrick Rose wasn't a good defender at all when he first came to the Bulls. Not so much poor work ethic, as much as he just didn't really know what he was doing. If you have athleticism and you can be coached, you can learn in Thibs' system.

 

True. He just won't play your ass for a year or two in the mean time. Look at Butler and Teague.

[southsider2k5]

I could definitely see getting a big if a guy like McGary or Zeller are there. I dont know, its just seemingly a bunch of meh.

 

Im not a huge fan of Len or Olynyk, I hate duke so I want nothing to do with Plumlee.

 

This draft class just doesnt seem real when you look at the weakness of talent.

 

McGary and Zeller will be long gone by the time the Bulls would draft (assuming they both go pro here).

[Soxbadger]

Derrick Rose wasn't a good defender at all when he first came to the Bulls. Not so much poor work ethic, as much as he just didn't really know what he was doing. If you have athleticism and you can be coached, you can learn in Thibs' system.

 

This is basically my reasoning for Hardaway.

[Soxbadger]

McGary and Zeller will be long gone by the time the Bulls would draft (assuming they both go pro here).

 

I completely agree. But some of the old mocks still have Len/Olynyk going ahead of Zeller/McGary.

 

Im not counting Noel, because no way he makes it to Bulls. I think 1 of Len, Olynyk, Zeller, McGary could be there. I just am in dream world hoping its one of the latter.

 

I actually think McGary may have worked his way to top 10 and second C off board after Noel.

[southsider2k5]

I completely agree. But some of the old mocks still have Len/Olynyk going ahead of Zeller/McGary.

 

Im not counting Noel, because no way he makes it to Bulls. I think 1 of Len, Olynyk, Zeller, McGary could be there. I just am in dream world hoping its one of the latter.

 

I actually think McGary may have worked his way to top 10 and second C off board after Noel.

 

It is tough because big men are always over-valued and over drafted in the NBA. We'll see if one slides to the Bulls, though I think the odds of a 2 sliding are much, much better.

[Steve9347]

Please explain why I need a shovel? I'm not burying myself in the least. Hardaway cannot dribble and makes stupid decisions. It's pretty obvious.

[Soxbadger]

Please explain why I need a shovel? I'm not burying myself in the least. Hardaway cannot dribble and makes stupid decisions. It's pretty obvious.

 

you said he turns it over a lot, which is objectively false.

 

You said that he thinks hes king s***, which not one article has ever suggested, but since its an opinion its subjectively false.

 

You made 1 point about taking bad shots, which is technically true, but has really no impact on his NBA ceiling, because he plays in a system that is predicated on taking quick shots that arent always "good."

 

But hey, you learned all of that after watching 2 games. I mean its clear you just dont like Hardaway because "he thinks hes king s*** because his dad is in the NBA."

 

Ive actually never heard a person say anything close to resembling that about Hardaway. So please just quit pretending like you actually know something about this player.

 

http://www.detroitnews.com/article/2013040...S0201/304050347

 

http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2012/11/24/bei...his-work-ethic/

 

This is what he works for. He works hard at not just being a shooter but to have an in-between game, be a rebounder,” Michigan coach John Beilein said. “The biggest thing is his work ethic. That just doesn’t happen. He’s got great DNA, but DNA doesn’t get you there alone.”

Edited April 9, 2013 by Soxbadger